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I'm not trying to condemn you either, I'm not making it my life's mission to shut Ludman down. I'm just pointing out something I believe to be true.

OK,now I understand your point but,though I don't necessarily agree,I get it. I do NOT see truth and love always needing to co-exist simultaneously,which I'll attempt to explain.
I think you agree that LOVE is above all - that's Gods word, not my own.
Now I said where I fail(and realize I've failed MOST of my life is(subconsciously) valuing truth over love.
So,while knowing about and, fully conscious of THE POWER OF LOVE, I still fail our Father's decree to let my first thought be love when I proclaim truth-

even when it's His very truth- DEVOID of love.

Though I'm NOT,trying to redeem or justify myself in any way here,I know that's very well how it may be taken.......

I know in my (soul)heart I have a whole lot of love,and, as far as young women and girls are concerned,I have MORE respect for them than they do for their own selves. Nevertheless,many would never think of me as a lover or one having much love because the premium position I put on truth, hurts
them. See, I DO, know God's word, and many times when I state it,it wounds
those who, at that time cannot receive that revelation in/for their life.

Ending this long post I'll just say; there are a lot of young girls here who've
never experienced the warmth and comfort true love from a Godly father brings. When God's word(Truth) is spoken,even with the best of intentions,WITHOUT LOVE(opening a path) the effect and acceptance are minimal.

But, CLEARLY, there's #1 LOVE
and, somewhere behind, Truth(to me #2).

I think truth and love do exist simutaneously, and here's why. I think God made commandments to help us do the loving thing. Because sometimes, its harder to see what the loving thing really is. Because human's aren't basically bad, they're basically stupid, they think the unloving thing (or the sinful thing) will bring them happiness, but they're wrong. They're created to function best in a loving, good environment. If they weren't, it makes NO sense for God to make commandments and inspire the writing of the Bible at all, does it? Unless God is some sick bastard messing with us, but I doubt that.

What is the point of truth without love?

Also, Ludman, you have the strangest use of punctuation I have ever seen.

^What is the point of truth without love?

Also, Ludman, you have the strangest use of punctuation I have ever seen.

I'm a bit surprised at you,Meg,for asking such a nebulous question.
I mean if you are going through some sort of self-righteousness phase I can understand, similarly,I could join you,pretend to be Superchristian, and ask "What is the point of anything WITHOUT LOVE."

That's settled,(even)MOST will agree. However, seriously though,with ALL the hell on earth,
what's the point of questioning someone who humbly CONFESSED failing to put love(which daily,there is limited amounts shown),ahead of truth(which,
even moreso seems NONEXISTENT)in his livingness?

I know truth,very well.Also,I know love.
The point being,that started slanting the original topic towards this area WAS
my sharing(confession).

PS As for the comment about my punctuation use,thanks ALOT, I'm sure
you meant it as a compliment,right?

PS As for the comment about my punctuation use,thanks ALOT, I'm sure
you meant it as a compliment,right?

i doubt it.

hey, thanks for assuming i was being self-righteous. really though, I think truth is important. Nay, necessary. Both truth and love are necessary, but "if I have not love, I have nothing." I'm sure you know where that's from. I didn't say it to antagonize you.

Your use of punctuation is strange. Strange=out of the ordinary. I didn't mean anything mean by it. Sheesh.

OK,that's cool(basically,that's my life-just a little out of the ordinary).

You did leave me wondering though ... why would you thank me for
ASSUMING you were on a self-righteous trip? That I don't get. Unless,
of course, you were speaking with a froward tongue?(hehe)

So,do you,or,do you not also believe that you can't really have one without the other? That love and truth GO ENTIRELY together?

They have to. It doesn't make any sense for them not to.

No,truth is,they definitely do not "have to",that's common SENSE.

Besides[except for the fact that I'm TRYING to be loving with you(5yy female bs'er)], you're really tempting me to say MYOB,since I was asking vandy, NOT you. See, i wasn't talking TO you,I was talking ABOUT you(about your comment anyway). XO

if you are going through some sort of self-righteousness phase

^^ that's where I got that from.

and truth and love can be apart from each other, but that's when everything gets all screwed up.

^OK, I still don't get the first part but's alright.I do see that you,
unlike J The V,also recognize that there can be truth,and love,unhinged.

But she said that's when everything gets screwed up. I didn't mean they CAN'T exist together, I meant they don't exist peacefully together.

^Well, I'm not sure if you have much love,but, pretty certain you're definitely an untrue deceiver.
Since you say "I", and,there's NO reply from any "Kate" before,perhaps
you mistakenly answered for J T V,huh? Anyway, I have no desire to be
seduced by a "5 year old" "Delilah, so, I'll end here before someone tries
to lure me into an underaged police internet operation.

whoa there...Kate and Jay are the same person. Don't talk to her like that, she never said anything wrong, she was just defending her point.

Luddy has weird/personal ideas about how open forum discussions should be, so I don't think it should be taken personally