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wiseass | 13-08-2004 03:23
Everyone has there own definition of goth. What's yours?
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The_RKO | 09-12-2004 14:51
Good question..what is a Goth?
For some weird reason, I confuse Goth and Vampires...how does that work?!!
And No, I have nothing against Goths
For some weird reason, I confuse Goth and Vampires...how does that work?!!
And No, I have nothing against Goths
Wous | 09-12-2004 15:00
In my school is like..one gothic guy or something..Only one..But he's just scary, he really is!
He used to be my friend, but at some point he started to break me down and all, and my other friends, and then I didn't feel like talking to him no more...
And now he becomes scary...:S
(I don't like the goth style too..Sorry to say...)
He used to be my friend, but at some point he started to break me down and all, and my other friends, and then I didn't feel like talking to him no more...
And now he becomes scary...:S
(I don't like the goth style too..Sorry to say...)
Chobbits | 09-12-2004 15:09
black hair, black clothes, black make-up and always depressed. i used to have good friend who was goth but i couldnt stand his changeable moods. plus, when we were walking on the street together little kids were crying when they saw him.
clairefot | 10-12-2004 13:21
At first wemust define goth.Gothic music is a kind of music, a branch of metal music.I like gothic music because it has a very mysterious melody reminding me of middle ages.People say that if you're goth you were black clothes and something like this.The fact is that gothic people are not those who will wear sexy tops or tihgt jeans or to be snob in oyhr words.Gothic people are more simple.I like being goth and I don't think that goth is a discrimination of peopleThey are the same as all with the difference that we have a particular style.that's all
NightHobbit | 10-12-2004 13:21
This is probably the hardest question any goth could try and answer, one may as well ask 'what is society?' as it has so many facets it defies any definitive explanation.
Goth in its simplest form, is a subculture. A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company. There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene (except of course the implied black clothing). People in the goth scene all have different musical tastes, follow different religions, have different occupations, hobbies, and fashion sense.
Why do people become goths?
Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind. This kind of free thinking and rejection of dogma earns only rejection in todays society.
However because of this rejection from 'normal' society, goths have banded together to associate with other free thinkers. This has a beneficial effect on both the individual and society as a whole. For the individual they have a sense of belonging, and friends they can associate with. For society it removes one more misfit filled with rage from society's streets.
This of course is not the case for all goths. Many goths today are goths for a variety of other reasons. They like the music, or the clubs are better, they have goth friends and joined in with them, or they just like staying up late nights and goths are the only ones awake to talk to.
The gothic stereotype
Many stereotypes of goths exist these days. It seems everyone has their own way to define 'what is goth'. From the stereotypes based on clothing to music right up to the stereotypes of all goths being satanists or part of some kind of cult. Categorically, all of these are false.
The goth scene is just as widely varied as society in general. There are many different professions represented in the scene, from highly skilled professionals like doctors and lawyers, to tradesman, to technically minded people to clerical workers. Many different musical tastes exist (and not all of them goth, there is a HUGE 80's following in the goth scene for some reason). The fashion varies vastly from goth to goth from the traditional flowing victorian style garments to the buckled and studded style regalia (also called industrial style, which is often closely related with goths, and have come to an understanding of co-existance, if uneasily at times).
How do I get into goth?
This is the simplest part of the page. Go check out our Community section over on the left, and use it to find out whats going on in your local area. Goths tend to be accepting and open minded. Just turn up to a club or event wearing all black and your already in the goth scene. You'll pick it up as you go along (just a hint though, lay off the vampire comments!).
The gothic sense of humour is highly developed, and often leans toward the satirical. Quietly laughing at the more idiotic and less tolerant factions of society that seem to think yelling out of cars at us makes them cooler. Goths have learned to laugh at themselves and see society in a much different light. They have had to, and it is a trait most would not give up.
Goths have for the most part (not unanimously of course, but mostly) dropped all forms of prejudice. Noone is afraid within the goth scene to come out as being gay, and noone has to hide their religion for fear of scorn from their peers or zealots wanting to convert them from the arms of Satan. In fact because of these facts (and the general lack of prejudice) the goth scene has a large proportion of gays/bisexuals, and followers of non-mainstream religions and views. This of course is the most important aspect of gothdom, and why most goths became goths in the first place, tolerance.
But they think weird!
Ah, but this is the beauty of goths. Most subjects that are taboo in 'normal' society are freely discussed and debated about. Death, religion, magick, mysticism, and many other topics that are only roached carefully outside of the gothic community. Most goths have realised that fear is only a reaction instilled in us by dogmatic propaganda, and once you realise there is nothing to fear from the topic, whats to stop you discussing it?
Goths often revel in the fear given to them by society as a whole. Often the behavior exhibited by society to them based on society's perception of them from stereotypes, rumour, etc are a constant source of entertainment. Of course, most of the rumours are totally unfounded, goths are people like everyone else, however when you already have a reputation, going for the shock factor is often far too tempting to see how much society at large is willing to believe (or deduce) with only a little encouragement.
This does not totally fall away once you get inside the scene unfortunately, and goths are all too often tempted to try for the shock factor within the scene (which turns out more tacky than shocking). Goths when you get down to it can be a rather pretentious bunch, trying for those extra 'goth points' on the gothier than thou scale, but it adds to the enjoyment.
History of Goth
Modern goth (ignoring where the name itself originally comes from) started in the early 80's as part of the punk subculture (which is itself was a rejection of most societal values, and anything considered part of the 'norm'). The phrase was coined by the band manager of Joy Division, Anthony H. Wilson, who described the band as 'Gothic compared with the pop mainstream'. The term stuck, and as punk eventually died, Goth survived and became its own subculture. The punk clothing and hairstyles mellowed, and the core 'rejection of society' attitude alone lived on in the gothic subculture. Over time this itself has been modified to be more of a 'no more blind acceptance of society's values' as opposed to rejection because it was there to be rejected (and because you could get away with it!).
Movies such as The Crow, and bands such as the Bauhaus helped establish the gothic image as dark, depressing, and even evil. As more and more 'dark' movies came out, numbers in the gothic subculture expanded, and there is now a gothic community in almost every major city around the world, and quite a number of towns have their own representative contingent. Nowdays there are more goth bands around than ever, and it has turned from an 80's phenomenon into a 90's way of life for many people. Unlike the punk subculture that it spawned from, there even exists a class of mature goths, still following the scene around even past their 20's and into their 30's and beyond.
Goth in its simplest form, is a subculture. A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company. There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene (except of course the implied black clothing). People in the goth scene all have different musical tastes, follow different religions, have different occupations, hobbies, and fashion sense.
Why do people become goths?
Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind. This kind of free thinking and rejection of dogma earns only rejection in todays society.
However because of this rejection from 'normal' society, goths have banded together to associate with other free thinkers. This has a beneficial effect on both the individual and society as a whole. For the individual they have a sense of belonging, and friends they can associate with. For society it removes one more misfit filled with rage from society's streets.
This of course is not the case for all goths. Many goths today are goths for a variety of other reasons. They like the music, or the clubs are better, they have goth friends and joined in with them, or they just like staying up late nights and goths are the only ones awake to talk to.
The gothic stereotype
Many stereotypes of goths exist these days. It seems everyone has their own way to define 'what is goth'. From the stereotypes based on clothing to music right up to the stereotypes of all goths being satanists or part of some kind of cult. Categorically, all of these are false.
The goth scene is just as widely varied as society in general. There are many different professions represented in the scene, from highly skilled professionals like doctors and lawyers, to tradesman, to technically minded people to clerical workers. Many different musical tastes exist (and not all of them goth, there is a HUGE 80's following in the goth scene for some reason). The fashion varies vastly from goth to goth from the traditional flowing victorian style garments to the buckled and studded style regalia (also called industrial style, which is often closely related with goths, and have come to an understanding of co-existance, if uneasily at times).
How do I get into goth?
This is the simplest part of the page. Go check out our Community section over on the left, and use it to find out whats going on in your local area. Goths tend to be accepting and open minded. Just turn up to a club or event wearing all black and your already in the goth scene. You'll pick it up as you go along (just a hint though, lay off the vampire comments!).
The gothic sense of humour is highly developed, and often leans toward the satirical. Quietly laughing at the more idiotic and less tolerant factions of society that seem to think yelling out of cars at us makes them cooler. Goths have learned to laugh at themselves and see society in a much different light. They have had to, and it is a trait most would not give up.
Goths have for the most part (not unanimously of course, but mostly) dropped all forms of prejudice. Noone is afraid within the goth scene to come out as being gay, and noone has to hide their religion for fear of scorn from their peers or zealots wanting to convert them from the arms of Satan. In fact because of these facts (and the general lack of prejudice) the goth scene has a large proportion of gays/bisexuals, and followers of non-mainstream religions and views. This of course is the most important aspect of gothdom, and why most goths became goths in the first place, tolerance.
But they think weird!
Ah, but this is the beauty of goths. Most subjects that are taboo in 'normal' society are freely discussed and debated about. Death, religion, magick, mysticism, and many other topics that are only roached carefully outside of the gothic community. Most goths have realised that fear is only a reaction instilled in us by dogmatic propaganda, and once you realise there is nothing to fear from the topic, whats to stop you discussing it?
Goths often revel in the fear given to them by society as a whole. Often the behavior exhibited by society to them based on society's perception of them from stereotypes, rumour, etc are a constant source of entertainment. Of course, most of the rumours are totally unfounded, goths are people like everyone else, however when you already have a reputation, going for the shock factor is often far too tempting to see how much society at large is willing to believe (or deduce) with only a little encouragement.
This does not totally fall away once you get inside the scene unfortunately, and goths are all too often tempted to try for the shock factor within the scene (which turns out more tacky than shocking). Goths when you get down to it can be a rather pretentious bunch, trying for those extra 'goth points' on the gothier than thou scale, but it adds to the enjoyment.
History of Goth
Modern goth (ignoring where the name itself originally comes from) started in the early 80's as part of the punk subculture (which is itself was a rejection of most societal values, and anything considered part of the 'norm'). The phrase was coined by the band manager of Joy Division, Anthony H. Wilson, who described the band as 'Gothic compared with the pop mainstream'. The term stuck, and as punk eventually died, Goth survived and became its own subculture. The punk clothing and hairstyles mellowed, and the core 'rejection of society' attitude alone lived on in the gothic subculture. Over time this itself has been modified to be more of a 'no more blind acceptance of society's values' as opposed to rejection because it was there to be rejected (and because you could get away with it!).
Movies such as The Crow, and bands such as the Bauhaus helped establish the gothic image as dark, depressing, and even evil. As more and more 'dark' movies came out, numbers in the gothic subculture expanded, and there is now a gothic community in almost every major city around the world, and quite a number of towns have their own representative contingent. Nowdays there are more goth bands around than ever, and it has turned from an 80's phenomenon into a 90's way of life for many people. Unlike the punk subculture that it spawned from, there even exists a class of mature goths, still following the scene around even past their 20's and into their 30's and beyond.
The_RKO | 10-12-2004 16:05
Anyone's guess is good as mine
Roxy_Ryan | 10-12-2004 16:06
GOTH
Grossly Original Tit Head
Grossly Original Tit Head
I_Luv_TechDecks | 10-12-2004 16:07
that was pretty gay
Bramblerose | 10-12-2004 16:07
I remember this lil kid claiming she was a goth and still she was listening to Green Day... Funny...
Goth_Skull | 10-12-2004 16:07
Dude
*looks at dani*
*looks at dani*
Roxy_Ryan | 10-12-2004 16:07
I know, great innit?
Goth_Skull | 10-12-2004 16:09
Pretty much..I like who I am and the fact that my friends accept me is great!
Plus I loved that day when we came back on the bus and that loser started talking to mee...ahhh..happy days of being a smeg..
Plus I loved that day when we came back on the bus and that loser started talking to mee...ahhh..happy days of being a smeg..
the_BurnInAtOR | 10-12-2004 16:21
I decided to see what urban dictionary had in mind for a definition of goths. There were many good ones, but the following basically took the words right outa my mouth.
Goths: People who wish to be an individual by conforming to a subculture.
See also irony.
Right on the money.
Goths: People who wish to be an individual by conforming to a subculture.
See also irony.
Right on the money.
mmmeee0 | 10-12-2004 16:30
Goth.
2 kinds.
The poser kind: Cheap, fashion goth. might be a good snogger. listens to appropriate music, etc.
The Vampire kind (also known as a full-breed, or hardcore): Like the taste of blood, hates FG's, music appropriate.
2 kinds.
The poser kind: Cheap, fashion goth. might be a good snogger. listens to appropriate music, etc.
The Vampire kind (also known as a full-breed, or hardcore): Like the taste of blood, hates FG's, music appropriate.
The_RKO | 11-12-2004 08:55
I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but I think Nighthobbit clarified what a goth is
well written also
well written also
SweetSare | 11-12-2004 09:17
I cant believe they have those goth or not sites now ... *is amazed hehe 
NightHobbit | 11-12-2004 09:22
they also have these sites
ignacio | 11-12-2004 09:25
People at my school call me a goth *shakes head*
rida85 | 11-12-2004 09:39
i have a really cool frined, i reckon she is a goth not because she's an attention seeker, but basically because her attitude to teachers and 'bitch brigade' as she oh-so-nicely calls them. She wears black clothes and she has problems with everyone (apart from her friends 
) BUT she is the lovliest person i've ever met in my life because once when i was upset she tried to make me laugh (didn't do very well, but HEY it's the thought that counts) i have nothing wrong with goths, its just the idiots in my school who go around saying bad things about my friend which really irritates me. She hasn't done anything to them, why do they have a problem with her? lets just shoot the people that are so perfect that they don't think about who they hurting by stepping on people they think are below them.
) BUT she is the lovliest person i've ever met in my life because once when i was upset she tried to make me laugh (didn't do very well, but HEY it's the thought that counts) i have nothing wrong with goths, its just the idiots in my school who go around saying bad things about my friend which really irritates me. She hasn't done anything to them, why do they have a problem with her? lets just shoot the people that are so perfect that they don't think about who they hurting by stepping on people they think are below them. The_RKO | 11-12-2004 13:57
Goths don't pose a threat to society, yet they are constantly bashed in and criticised by people. There's nothing wrong with them...If they want to live their lives wearing black and doing whatever a Goth and if it makes them happy, then why not let them live in peace?
NightHobbit | 11-12-2004 17:48
what's so wrong with the (absence of) colour anyway?
tigerlilly_169 | 11-12-2004 20:38
most goths i know are just doin it 4 attention except for this one friend of mine. shes a real goth. she doesnt hang out with the "gothic" groups or anything. she usually dresses in all black or black and white. her hair is naturally black. she doesnt like the sun so she is always pale. shes just herself and doesnt give a shit what people think of her even though not very many people do like her but they are kinda freaked out by her and are afraid to get to know her but she is a great person.
snowmans | 11-12-2004 20:40
THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS GOTHS, IT IS A MADE-UP WORD BY MAINSTREAM TO DEFINE THOSE THEY FIND WEIRD, THE WORD 'GOTH' IN TODAY'S WORLD MEANS NOTHING
But not the goths back in the day, like the medieval(spelling?), they were real, and coo.
But not the goths back in the day, like the medieval(spelling?), they were real, and coo.
Puddle_of_sugar | 14-12-2004 06:09
ahaha the "goths" at my school and the most pathetic excuses for attention seeking i have ever had the disfortune to witness. i have nothing against the ideas, biut there are so many freaking posers, who are all trying to be different....but dressing exactly the same. its stupid. and for the person who said that cheerleaders and jocks are more attention seeking, wtf lol thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard, at my school the so called goths are load, and most of the time obnoxious people just trying to get reactions out of people. they tend to be more opinionated and pushy and loud about their views. the cheerleaders tend to keep quiet about their opinions because there is so much pressure surrounding them. my school is "goth" dominated, and it's pathetic. it's the new "cool" thing to do. whoo let's all rebel and become the same freaking thing. what the f.
lilyella said on the first page from my point of view, goths are the biggest attention seekers going, they are quick to point the finger and cant take what they dish out! and it is so true!
lilyella said on the first page from my point of view, goths are the biggest attention seekers going, they are quick to point the finger and cant take what they dish out! and it is so true!
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