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02-08-2004 06:32 vandy
9,642 posts	Do you have a question about a certain type of faith? Or just a general question asking about what it encompasses? Ask these questions here, someone's sure to know something!

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22-07-2007 06:26 deej462
17 posts	This is reaaaally late, but I wanted to answer some questions that have been raised earlier in the topic. These are the Catholic views... and most likely the views of most Protestant religions as well. "Saint" is a word that refers to any soul that is in Heaven. Canonized saints are people that the Church has recognized as being in Heaven because of the good they did on earth. But, anyone that you know that has died could be a saint. Also, about free will... God gave each person free will. Everyone is plagued by temptation because of Satan, and everyone has the choice of right and wrong. The choices that we make define our character, which will be judged when we die. Quite simply, these choices dictate whether we go to Heaven or Hell. And, Jesus and Mary were both sinless. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist as an example to others, and as a start to his ministry. Any other questions about Catholicism, feel free to ask. After 14 years of Catholic school, I can probably help you out!
22-07-2007 06:27 deej462
17 posts	Ohh, and I'm also very impressed with how no fights have broken out in this forum. I 3 open-mindedness and maturity.
22-07-2007 13:02 glow_child_glow
1,553 posts	has anyone mentioned Sanskrit yet? Its far more practical and logical than an western idea of religion... Get this, a religion that is actually based on fact...and can perform REAL "miracles".....ever wanted to cure yourself of heart disease? Its entirely possible, and you dont even have to pray or anything condescending like that.
29-07-2007 01:14 HeywoodJablowme
45 posts	I like Jebus
29-07-2007 05:56 sweetchock
82 posts	Hey, I love this topic! I think religion is pretty interesting, and these posts are fun for me to read.
07-10-2008 10:06 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	first of all its really a good topic and since there is no fight, i really appreciate you all. i want to make my point to 3 "divine" religions are all the same in the end but there is too much religion wars unfortunately. Muslims believe that mohammed (S.A.V.) is the last prophet as promised in the bible. and they believe in bible, and the old testament are sent by god, and jesus was born as the child of virgin marry and such. And they believe it is not wrong to be christain but only before mohammed. Because both the bible and the old testament are corrupted due to devils effort and due to that fact its a promise that koran itself will never be corrupted. there will be always the original one. i wrote thoose to make ppl understand its not so different at all. There are 3 main (i couldnt find the true word some how) categories of islam. Sunni Muslims are the most spread over the world. it is forbidden to picture god(allah with the most common name) or mohammed. but you talk directly to god. priests(alike) are only there to help you to understand the word of god (as koran is heavy book to understand mainly because of its language) Alevi muslims believe that you cannot speak to god directly, you need a priest to comminicate. Sufi muslims belive that to understand and to comminicate god, you do never need a priest. you do it directly. beacuse its not just a word it is a feeling. to reach that you dont have to understand the words directly, but you feel the words. and to picture god and mohammed or singin them in songs are totally free. The all three muslim kinds(sorry for the word ) curse the radical islam ot he one in Suudi Arabia. Koran(kur'an-i kerim) means "the book wisdom" and islam means "peace" the radical ones simply ignoring the half of koran. example: if you find out someone is stealing(find out stands for you really really have to prove it) cut the hands of the theif at once. But if the thief asks for gods forgivness and promise not to do it again forgive him from all his guilt and dont put a shame on his name and dont let him feel poor for what he have done before. suudi arabians just respect the first sentence and nothing more.. oh i wrote too much. so i stop it. if you are confused, feel free to ask. peace.
07-10-2008 19:33 JustxMe
7,925 posts	Actually, i think the three known sectors in islam would be sunni, shia and wahabi. KSA generally follows the wahabi sector. They are a bit too exaggerating at some things, maybe even radical. But concerning the stealing issue. In Islam as it is representing in the Quraan itself, it says to cut hands/fingers when someone caught stealing. Even the prophet (PBUH) said in what means as that if his daughter Fatima would steal, he'd cut her hand/finger. As i understood, not the entire hand should be cut off, just a finger - as a lesson. But i honestly never heard of anything along the lines that go in what means if someone asks for forgiveness and such, it's okay to let it go. Anyhow, few countries even still go according to the islamic sharia and actually cut hands/fingers if someone caught stealing. The only two countries would be KSA and Iran. The wahabi sector doesn't consider most of sectors as Islamic related anyway. To them Shia are not even believers and are kufar. As for Alevis, as i understood from class today, they are mostly in Turkey itself. And as for Sufis, I never heard that they are 1 of the largest recognized islamic sectors. And to some sectors, they may not be recognized as muslims. It's said that they have started new rituals of their own that doesn't exactly go with what the believed rituals are, such as dancing to god or something of that sort.
08-10-2008 07:54 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	shia=alevi if i am not terribly mistaken wahabis are not that spread, they are just rich at this time but i am sure you know about sufi muslims. Mevlana Celaleddini Rumi sounds familiar? the ppl wearing white and black with skirts spining... but they are not really organised for sure. because they are using mosques or imams and so on... oh almost forgot. the reason you may not have seen/heard those passages might be because wahabis are ignoring them. and with their new written book those lines might be erased too but not sure. btw majority in turkey are sunni but i am not.
08-10-2008 07:59 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	* because they are not using mosques or imams.... sorry
08-10-2008 12:52 JustxMe
7,925 posts	I guess the Alevi's may be one of the Shia doctrine/types. I'm a Shii'te myself, and I never heard of Alevis until few days ago. Are they similar to the Alawii's? They kind of sound similar- and Alawii's are considered to be Shia to a certain point, but not everyone would agree on that. Anyway there are many doctrines considered to be Shia, and none of them is exactly the same. For example, Jaafari (like myself) we believe in 12 imams unlike other sectors who believe in 5, 6, 7 or so. And we do not believe in having to have someone; a person, as a source of communication between us and god. We communicate to god with no help of others, praying is one way. (Actually i thought ALL Shia [or at least the ones who are considered to be following the islamic faith without being extravagant] communicate to god directly.) We're very similar to Sunni, and the main difference would lay on the Khalifa/Calif back then after the prophet died, and the other differences escalated from there. So yeah..saying Shia is kinda a broad thing. And i suppose Alevi's are a sector that is considered to be Shia, but are different than others. Given the fact KSA is one of the leading "islamic" countries, being Wahabi's gives them so much power as a sector. They may not be wide spread, but they are definitely one of the most recognized sectors. Men with long beards and short man-dresses? There's some of these everywhere. And nah, i haven't heard/read/saw much of the Sufi's. I have very little knowledge about them. Are you suggesting that passages in the Quraan itself says if someone was caught stealing and he asked for forgiveness, his hands/fingers should not be cut? If so, let me know where. I'd like to look that up.
08-10-2008 13:30 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	ok i guess i miss told about the cominication. To be much clear there is no class of imams. but you do have right? and yes main different starts with caliph. alevism can be the same or a minor part of shiis not really sure. because there is only alevis here. About the forgiven part, i dont have kuranı kerim here so i cant tell you the exact place but i can ask my father when he is back. he is a sunni pilgrim so he must know but you can search it i guess. i clearly remember there is two in the same place where adultry and stealing are forbidden. for more information about sufis and mevlevis you can google it.(thoose dancing people http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Mevleviler.JPG) i must advise you to check Mevlānā Celāl-ed-Dīn Muhammed Rūmī. "Come, come again, whoever you are, come! Blasphemous, pagan or idolatrous, come! Come even if you broke your repentance a hundred times, Ours is the portal of hope not desperation, come as you are."
08-10-2008 14:00 JustxMe
7,925 posts	I didn't say you were wrong! Maybe some of them believe in such thing, and have such rituals where they communicate through someone. But I haven't heard of such thing just yet. Um, what do you mean by class? The word Shia as i understood, means something like followers. So i assume most of the branches/sectors that were formed after the death of the prophet were labeled as "Shia" regardless of the differences. The Sufi's somewhat dress like some cultural dancers in Egypt except it's all white. They have an interesting way of communicating with god. It would be interesting to see that live one day.
10-10-2008 07:30 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	hmm agreed then but please explain more about "we believe in 12 imams unlike other sectors who believe in 5, 6, 7 or so."
10-10-2008 08:21 JustxMe
7,925 posts	It's not a matter of agreement. Anyhow, the "Imams" that we believe in, are not those Masjid Imams and such. Those Imams family line link back to the prophet (PBUH). And the last one who is known as "Al Mahdy" although his name is Mohammad, is believed to show up sometime, but no one knows when. The difference with Shia and Sunni in that, is that Shia believe that the Mahdy has been alive for too many years, and is still living. (Not sure when was he born though) As for Suni (as you may know) they believe he is going to be born. (I am not sure if they link him to the prophet family though). Our Imam's line starts with Ali, the prophet's cousin. Then, Hassan bin Ali, Hussein bin Ali, Ali ibn Hussein, Muhammad ibn Ali, Ja'far ibn Muhammad, Musa ibn Ja'far, Ali ibn Musa, Muhammad ibn Ali, Ali ibn Muhammad, Hassan ibn Ali, and Muhammad ibn al-Hassan (Al Mahdi). You can look this up in here. Thy provide Turkish titles for them that you may recognize. Anyway there are other sectors that as recognized as Shia, like the Zaidi (Zaidiyyah). They only believe in 5 Imams (they recognize only 4 of the Twelvers imams of the Jaafari), and their fifth is Zayd ibn Ali.
11-10-2008 02:00 Metalupurass69
300 posts	atheism is alot like christianity. alot of christians do bad things like smoke weed and bang b!tches and then pray to jesus for forgiveness and then confess and do it again anyways . and atheists do the same thing but skip the religous bullcrap and still think god is like sasquatch, a big hairy mythical creature.
11-10-2008 02:09 Metalupurass69
300 posts	heres my bible: "'who made you god to say "ill take your life from you"' Metallica/Ride the lightning/Ride the lightning
11-10-2008 07:29 DNA_Maniac
4,823 posts	that was a helpful link thanks! no sunnis dosent believe he will come again. but the prophet will come again. here are the sentences i was trying to make and fail "Although the Imam was not the recipient of a divine revelation, he had a close relationship with God, through which God guides him, and the Imam in turn guides the people." "The twelfth and final Imam is Muhammad al-Mahdi, who is believed by the Twelvers to be currently alive, and hidden till he returns to bring justice to the world." first one is about the comminication part i was talking about sunnis dont belive it on that way. for the second, as sunnis dont see imams as holy or divine personalities, they dont believe them. as far as i remember, we were just honor the names of people whou could be a "imam" but not the shia ones.

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