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02-08-2004 06:32 vandy
9,642 posts	Do you have a question about a certain type of faith? Or just a general question asking about what it encompasses? Ask these questions here, someone's sure to know something!

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08-08-2004 23:29 Crazy_Joe
3,878 posts	But if I'm not mistaken, "witch" came from "wicca," didn't it?
08-08-2004 23:30 court_lew_0216
508 posts	not exactly ....................
08-08-2004 23:31 almightybob
3,000 posts	sounds interesting. i also read a reference to Hallowe'en - is that a Wiccan holy day or something?
08-08-2004 23:33 court_lew_0216
508 posts	holloween actually is derived from mexico's day of the dead
08-08-2004 23:41 court_lew_0216
508 posts	oops sry no itz all hollows eve whew im a blond( not actually though, just at heart)
10-08-2004 17:44 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	haloween comes from the Celts....if it came from mexico, it wouldn't have got so far as in western europe...
10-08-2004 17:46 DeathByMonkeys
24,877 posts	Hallowe'en is indeed a wiccan holiday, but I think Petra's right, it's more of a Celtic/Druidic thing before it was a wiccan thing.
11-08-2004 18:28 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	hey, I was right! weee!!! hehe, sorry...I wasn't even sure, i just thught I read it somewhere, and it's rather logical, cause 1st and 2nd of November are also the memorial days of the dead & saints in catholicism..
13-08-2004 17:47 dkk
250 posts	Petra I just want to say how interesting your post is...really well put. about saints: there are different kinds of saints and so there are also rangs of saints (widespread and locals).....
13-08-2004 18:07 naarahneiel
38 posts	I think it is interesting to note that there are forms of Christianity that actually reject "religiosity". Religion by one defenition is mankind's attempt to earn the favor of a god. I believe in an entirely different kind of christianity. Christianity is by definition following Christ. Christ came to show us that it is possible for us to have a personal relationship with his father God. It is not a favor we can earn. God loves us because of Christ' death in our place. We can choose to accept that gift, the forgiveness of our sins through Christ' death, and therefore be made the adopted children of God. We then are invited to come to Him as a child bringing Him our burdens and struggles and living the life He planned for us. It is not about following rules or earning His love because He knows we can't do that. That is why He sent Jesus (God in a human body) to be perfection for us but then to take our sin on Himself.
13-08-2004 18:16 dkk
250 posts	I have a question about religion, or should I say religions,as there are many. Is not Christ a name we use to describe a force/belief/Truth? And before we inherited this name Christ, did not this force/Truth/belief even exist then? And so, is it not true that Jesus came to teach us of something that was there before He came? And is it not possible that ALL religions have seen or heard of this same force/Truth? And is it not possible that thanks to differences in time/culture/language/location etc.ect. all religions are seeing/talking about the same thing but from different angles? My question...Does any religion have the rights on Truth/Christ
14-08-2004 20:52 naarahneiel
38 posts	Not really. There can only be one truth if it is really truth. Christ is actualy a Greek word that means "annointed one." Jesus was given that name because He was the one that God annointed to save all people (Isaiah 52:13-53:12). He is the son of God who has existed for eternity past (John 1:1-5) but chose to come to earth in the form of a newborn child at a specific point in history to die in the place of all people past, present, and future (Luke 1 7-79). He is God yet He chose to become a man so that He could die in our place and then rise again so that we can have the hope of a life after death.
14-08-2004 20:54 naarahneiel
38 posts	Sorry, not sure how I got the smiley there. I meant to type Luke 1 : 77-79
19-08-2004 06:47 AstralPhoenix
779 posts	Dkk... what you wrote has nothing to do with the actual word "Christ" . I believe that no matter what your religion is and what your own personal truth is, in the end- all paths become one. Nobody has the right to say "My religion is the correct religion, what My God says is what the reality is, not what yours says, I will go to heaven and you shall burn in hell" Absolutely no human being whatsoever has a "right on truth" there is no such thing. Truth is a very objective thing, even when it comes from 100000000 of people who all follow the same religion- it still doesn't mean it's true. It is what THEY chose to believe and follow. Every religion needs to understand that just because they beleive something - doesn't mean what others believe is automatically wrong. They need to learn to respect other religions and accept them. The "Truth", as you put it, has existed for thousands of years before Christ and shall continue to exist forever. To find it, you don't have to be of any particular religion but that of your heart's. Alexandra
19-08-2004 11:01 dkk
250 posts	Alexandra, I agree with everything you said ^. But how do we find Truth in a transient world when Truth never changes? I'll tell you...its within Not in any book or church
19-08-2004 11:39 AstralPhoenix
779 posts	that is why i said "the religion of the heart" and I am very glad you understand that ! Alexandra
25-08-2004 21:48 SinsIndulgance
102 posts	Alexandra~ Quick question.... as far as truth goes there are two types of truths... subjective and objective truths. What is your favorite color? if it is red...then the truth is that your favorite color is red. That is subjective truth. Who is your favorite actor...John travolta? Again another example of subjective truth.....Gravity, however is not subjective. No matter what you or i think, the fact is that gravity is truth and should you feel in your heart differently, you will be overcome by this objective truth should you attempt to challenge it by believing in your heart that you can fly. The question of the hour is, Does God exist? Well every religion differs on who God is, but every almost every religion holds awards for those who believe and consequences for those who do not. If Islam, Christianity, Mainstream Catholicism, and many others have anything in common it is that "God" created earth and that he alone holds the keys to our fate. Should they be correct on this matter...who he is would not be subjective...but objective. A fact that confronts us whether or not we want to confront it. I f "God" does exist, then wouldn't he stand as an objective truth....more like gravity rather then our favorite color..... Let me know what you think? SinsIndulgance
25-08-2004 22:01 Shauna_me
2,760 posts	that is awesome! i really liked the way that u worded that....
26-08-2004 13:04 blondi3542
348 posts	right here goes- Satanism- i no u worship satan and such, but what good is supposed 2 come from it- reigning 4 eternity in ''hell''? go ahead, say it- dumb question lol
26-08-2004 16:53 AstralPhoenix
779 posts	well gravity is something you can prove, calculate and point at the fact that - yes there is a power which holds my feet on the ground and keeps me from floating out into space... Up untill now no one has been able to actually bring forth a scientific proof of "God" or a "Higher Being" that created us, thus it is all based on beliving. Beliving means that there is something one considers "Truth" no matter what others think- thus his truth must be subjective. So no matter what organized religion you belong to and no matter how many believe the same thing- it is still your own truth... you are saying that to the religions that believe the same thing - it is objective- for them it is a fact that "God" exists right? But from a higher point of view- seeing the entire picture, even their understanding that this is an objective truth- is subjective! They won't understand it- and that is why religion causes so many problems- there is so much disagreement because people just won't accept other religions and beliefs... Btw your theory that "God" doesn't exist is just as subjective as theirs, yet for you it applies to everyone and thus a fact and objective... I hope I answered your question Alexandra
26-08-2004 17:39 SinsIndulgance
102 posts	I appreciate the well thought out answer. Please allow my to reitterate your hypothesis and add one of my own for the benefit of good conversation. Your basis for "God" being subjective truth is that he cannot be seen, physically touched or talked to? (no i'm not attacking, just re-itterating) Your basis for "Gravity" being objective is that it is more of a universally accepted fact which can be tested at any moment. Originally my comment was that "if God existed" he would be objective, not subjective. I made no argument for the existance of God, but merely stated that if such a being were in fact a reality, and he in fact did hold the keys to all existance, then he would be a truth that confronted us whether or not we believed....much like gravity. Now i will make an argument for the existance of such a being. Suppose God did exist.....God in most religions is infinite and eternal....and we humans are finite. Infinite mean all-encompassing. It means never ends, never starts....God would be all in all. If this held to be true...should a God exist and be infinte...there could only be one. If there were two...then where would one start and the other end, niether would be infinite, having to end where the other began, but both would be finite much like us. thus if an infinite all powerful God did exist, there could only be one. Secondly: You cannot see gravity You cannot touch Gravity You cannot talk to Gravity You cannot measure Gravity Only the effects of Gravity can be Seen. Only the effects can be touched, talked to or measured. Only the effects. When something falls, it is not gravity in action, but merely the effects of gravity. From the effects we can say "Gravity does exist." Many People would tell you that they see the effects of God more clearly then you you or i see the effects of gravity. Many Parishoners will testify that they indeed talk to God. a Parishoner might say that "science tells us why the sun sets and how it sets...but who set it. And who put it there to set" This parishoner would say that as mush as a plate falling is proof of gravity....the fact that you are alive and aware of existance, and as long as a sunset happens everynight, and as long as the world leans on a 28 and a half degree angle, and as long as hearts beat for no apparent scientic reason...God effects are in action and can be seen. Just because you cannot talk to gravity does not mean it has no effect in you life. (I hate to sound Repetitive) but Scientific laws do not undermine religous belief, but even strengthen the idea of many. Perhaps scroll to another "God" forum and see the Law of BIOGENISIS, this is a scientific law that states it takes a LIve entity to create another Live entity. Evolution Theory (a theory is not proven, a Law is) states that inorganic matter created existance which in fact is very much aliv. This theory undermines a scientific Law. Many would say that this scientific Law states that some live Entity created existance, and everything you see around you is effects of it...and that that "it" is irrefutably God
26-08-2004 18:00 AstralPhoenix
779 posts	I am sorry, I misunderstood your previous question then. Frankly I don't see what we are arguing here since I agree on almost everything you said Yes, of course God is One since He is infinite, and has no end or begining, thus -is encompassing, omnipresent. What is your point though on this matter? Yes He is Objective, the only One who can actually trully claim that He is. He sees all sides of things- He sees the entire picture. I believe in God according to the "effects" of His presense that I have encountered and still encountering in my life. Other people might say though - yes of course gravity cannot be seen and touched- but it's effects are the ones which show us proof of it's existance. But the effects of gravity are obvious to everyone, the effects of a "Higher Being" are not. One may say that the fact that he wakes up every morning and sees the sky and the trees and the birds and feels alive- tells him that there is God, another person might say that it simply means his senses are functioning normally... Another might say that they felt the "effects of God" when they were saved from a lethal accident... Everyone has their own interpretation you see ? I personally believe that there is a strong bond between science and God and that they -in no way whatsoever -contridict each other. I have read quiet a few theories and I have a few of my own. But in my previous posts I was simply saying that it doesn't matter what you consider "truth" - and what the next person considers "truth". In the end no matter what you believe you will getto the same place- everything leads to ONE in the end Alexandra
26-08-2004 20:11 SinsIndulgance
102 posts	I understand what you are saying. That God does exist and that he is one....but what face we put on that one is relative? (Not attcking, just checking for clarity) That all roads lead to one place, and that the place we all pursue,wheather buddhist, christian or muslim is at the end of every road? And that the religion of the heart is the way to find "God" and that in the end we will find the "one". If this is what you are saying, then i now have a clear understanding as to what you believe. I respect your belief but i disagree. But thats okay because if God is relative to the individual then you and i are headed to the same place. If we take a clear look at classical Islam, we see the five pillars of faith and what one must do to inherit eternal life. (i won't go too much into it because you seem to know enough about organized religion) Then we look at Classical Christianity, or Catholicsm, and we see what one must do to obtain eternal life (repentance, faith, excercise of godliness and the great commission) Then we look at Ba'hai( a break off of classical Islam) and then we look at The Nation of Islam (a break off of radical Islam) and the Religions all have different principles and disciplines. (i know what your thinking, but hold on, i'm going somewhere with this) In order for roads to lead to the same place, they musn't all be connected, but musn't they all point in the same general area? There are several ways to get to seattle from oregon I-5, I84, I80, back roads...and so on, and though yes they are different roads with different names, twists, tolls and turns, they all point north. If Mainstream christianity demands belief in Christ the Savior in faith for the gift of salvation, and radical islam and Ba'hai point to just the opposite... Christianity says by faith, and Islam is more focused on physical pentance and good works, how can a road pointing south and a road leading north ever meet. And if an infinite God is one, then you are either running toward him, or you are running away from him. But thats just my perspective...you don't have to agree and you probably don't. But it sounds logical to me that a road pointing north will not have the same end as a road pointing south. SinsIndulgance
29-08-2004 23:39 iamtravel11
104 posts	Sinsindulgence - that's maybe the best way I've ever heard that explained.
30-08-2004 03:40 SinsIndulgance
102 posts	Thanks travel.....it might be the best way i ever explained it....