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Stop Death Penalty
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 0  @ 08-11-2003 18:17 Rass | 5,430 posts
| yes, very very much 
hmmm, maybe someone SHOULD design like a collar thing for ex-convicts  not an actual collar cuase that'd be too easy to get off but like a chip or something, ya know what i mean? keep tabs on those boys that might do it again, though i wouldn't say all of them because once again  i know some people who have killed other people and so i know that not all of them deserve to be treated like monsters or animals, it just depends....hmm wonder if i could get rich if i designed something like that (ponders to herself) | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 18:17 Rass | 5,430 posts
| boys or girls forgot i gotta say that and be all correct and stuff lol  | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 18:17 ravenskiss | 7,497 posts
| so should the death penalty be banned that is the question | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 18:26 Rass | 5,430 posts
| no but it should still be a last resort sort of thing | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 18:27 ravenskiss | 7,497 posts
| i agree it should be used for special cases only | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 18:55 AintNoAngel | 176 posts
| In my honest opinion I think making someone spend the rest of their life in Jail is better punishment and more harsh. That person will have to live with the guilt the rest of their life. I think that is the best punishment. | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 19:23 Rass | 5,430 posts
| the problem with that angel is after a while they create a family in there and a way of life, that becomes their home and it stops being a punishment and just a place they live in, which is why when they get released 30 or 40 years later some of them freak out and want back in, so they go out and kill someone so they have to go back to prison | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 19:49 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| ok, i did a big speech on this in my debate class last year. i belive that the death penalty is correct, and i belive in it.
now, for all you people who say "well saying in prison for your whole life is worse." ok, so there was this guy, keith mcduff, he brutally raped tortured and murded a lady on christman eve. he was cuahgt and sent to prison for life. he was released 10 years later because of prison over crowding. he then ewnt on to kill at least 7 other women, when he was caught he was put to death.
aas its been said before, very few people actually stop the killing, and putting them in prison where they have a high possibility of escaping or being released isnt the answer
its also a deterent. crime rates went down in the us when the death penalty was re-introduced in california. in England, the crime rate i belive tripled when the death penalty was abolished.
now the death penalty is not a cruel thing, like maybe hanging would be, its quick and relativly painless.
if you kill someone in cold blood, then you are not fit to be living, thats what i think. | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 20:32 Dekar | 36,120 posts
| We should have a religion called "Ghandi-ism" and live by his words. Then there's be no more killing and hatred.
"Ghandi stood for anti-violence, not anti-comedy!" | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 20:46 Cheater138 | 
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| We just had a big debate on this in my Government class a few weeks ago.
How I see it, there are good and bad parts to it. I don't think it should be used for everyone, there are people who have mental problems that cause them to do things. Like they could have been treated like sh*t their whole lives and grew up somewhere where people didn't care about it. It's still wrong no matter why they do it but giving it to anyone is wrong too.
Alot of people say its the best way to get revenge or to feel better about their family member being killed or something. No matter what you do to the criminal it's not gonna bring back the person or change the fact that this happened to them. And the only real way to get revenge is to do exactly what they did, not warn them of their execution, torture them, beat them, rape them, kill them, whatever they did, it'd be impossible and just disgusting to go down to the level of the person that did those things to someone just for revenge.
I also think that some people who do these things can be helped. A lot of them regret what they did and will except the fact that they need help and will willingly take it. If it is possible to do this and change their life wouldn't that be better than killing them?
On the other hand there are certain things that should deserve it. In the debate we did one girl told us a story that she found of a man that kidnapped, tortured, raped, and did a lot of other stuff to a 2 year old girl before finally killing her. And he had a record of doing similar things to almost 100 other young girls. People like that I don't even know what to say about them. That is one thing someone should deserve the death penalty for.
| | 0 @ 08-11-2003 20:53 cristobal265 | 224 posts
| The death penalty should be banned. Do two wrongs make a right? No, they do not, and never will. What good does it do to kill someone because they killed someone? Yeah it gets rid of them, but that could be solved with longer prison sentacings, and if prisons are getting over crowded, then they should make more prisons. No one should ever be killed, because they were murdered, or because they murdered someone. It is just not right. | | 0 @ 08-11-2003 20:58 the_locust | 5,582 posts
| I basically agree with Cheater on this....
In some cases to end a persons life can safe more lives and help the victims friends and families recover from their loss. I think it should only be used in extreme cases though, serial killers who show no remorse or people like Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussien (sp). However like someone else said, two wrongs will not make it right and if their crime for the death penalty was murder, why murder them? I'm in the middle of this and I can kinda see both sides of it.... | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 00:18 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| but its not murdering them in the sense of that, but just taking away their lives....i think that it is jusstified, and its a very efficient system, there are no innocent people killed. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 00:28 Masterful_Ally | 15,627 posts
| Madness. I feel that the fact that the death penalty still exists is the biggest sign of human arrogance there is in the world. It is NOT our decision to take another persons life - whether they have taken lives or not. I strongly believe in the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right'. This is the perfect example, I mean, how can they possibly? We have enough violence in this world without creating more death. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 06:04 rawkerNoNagal | 9,981 posts
| But it is NOT an effective deterrent from crime. It's the opposite, if anything. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 13:25 Plantagenet | 
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| 1. first of all, I really can't see how anyone can think of the criminal and a crime as the same thing, that is plain madness.
If you say that, than you say that some people do evil things because they're evil, and I don't belive that is true, i don't believe people do evil because of the evil. i fyou ask a criminal why he did it, you'l discover he'll always has some "good" (something that is for him ethical) in his mind. the fact that his good isn't the same as we think of good, is created by his envirioment. He is still responsible for his actions, obviously, and he needs to be punished for his crimes, but he needs to punished in way, he'll see that what he did was wrong. Unless he's mentaly unstable (with other words not even capable of really understanding what he did), he'll see that he was wrong and he'd want forgiveness. there nothing as human as wanting to be forgiven. are you going to kill him then?
2. is revange the best way to get over a crime when you're a victim? i think it will only leave a bad taste, cause giving into revange is giving in to evil itself...
3. and this is the most important one:
death penalty is agains the HUMAN RIGHTS:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to live
it's against the international law...therefor it is always a crime... | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 13:32 Masterful_Ally | 15,627 posts
| Anyone who thinks the criminal is the same as the crime needs their head checked... there are all kinds of motives and causes for the crimes people commit, obviousley they need to be withdrawn from society, but they also need to be talked to. People go through horrific things in their lives and it drives them to behave as they have been treated, and worse. Alot of motiveless murders are commited by people who are seriousley mentally ill - how does killing them solve anything?
If anyone gets the chance to watch a short film called 'Out Of Control' then please do, it covers this and it really made me think.
Ally xxx | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 15:01 Plantagenet |
12,864 posts
| this songtext can be read in this situation, it's Walking in my shoes by Depeche Mode:
I would tell you about the things they put me through
The pain I've been subjected to
But the Lord himself would blush
The countless feasts laid at my feet
Forbidden fruits for me to eat
But I think your pulse would start to rush
Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Morality would frown upon
Decency look down upon
The scapegoat fate's made of me
But I promise now, my judge and jurors
My intentions couldn't have been purer
My case is easy to see
I'm not looking for a clearer conscience
Peace of mind after what I've been through
And before we talk of any repentance
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
| | 0 @ 09-11-2003 20:01 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| i just found the speech i wrote on this....so heres some of the stuff i wrote in it....
The death penalty is there for a reason, to get rid of people who have been deemed unfit for society in a court of law.
While no study has precisely quantified the risk from mistakenly failed to execute justly convicted murderers, it is undesputed that we extend extraordinary generosity to murderers. According to the national centre for Policy Analysis, the average sentance for murder and non-negligent manslaughter is less than 6 years. the beurau of justice statistics has found that of 52000 inmates serving time for homocide, more than 800 had previously been convicted of murder. That sounds like a system collapsing under the wieght of its own mistakes, and inncoent people dying as result.
it has been said that capital punishment does not work as a deturent, but it does. people fear death. granted, it doesnt have a 100% success rate, but everything deters sombody. nothing deters everybody, even the likelyhood of being caught and tortured to death would not eliminate crime.
now we can argue this all we want, but the fact still remains, capital punishment not only satisfies justice, but also saves many more innocent lives than "life imprisonment" ever would. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 20:08 DeathByMonkeys | 24,877 posts
| and when you think about it, it really is paradoxial (ten point word!): If you keep the death penalty, people who may be innocent or may not necessarily deserve it will die. If you abolish it and give everyone life sentences, then what happens if they get out and start killing again? More innocent people die. We're screwed either way. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 20:26 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| hmm actually no, under the mdern death penalty system, no innocent person has ever had their life taken away....the only innocents lost are those who were murdered at the hands of released murderers | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 21:29 Masterful_Ally | 15,627 posts
| "death penalty system, no innocent person has ever had their life taken away"
That's rubbish! It has happened on many an occasion - the last woman to face the death penalty in the UK before it was aboloshed was proven to be innocent only last year! It has happened in America too believe me - research it before you state it. | | 0 @ 09-11-2003 23:04 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| excuse me? i have researched my facts thank you very much. i dont know about England, but here in the us,
ok, i got this from "We're Not Executing the Innocent" By Paul G. Cassell of The Wall Street Journal (Friday, June 16, 2000)
Supreme Court has mandated a system of super due process for the death penalty. An obvious consequence of this extraordinary caution is that capital sentences are more likely to be reversed than lesser sentences are. The widely trumpeted statistic in the report -- the 68% "error rate" in capital cases -- might accordingly be viewed as a reassuring sign of the judiciary's circumspection before imposing the ultimate sanction.
The 68% factoid, however, is quite deceptive. For starters, it has nothing to do with "wrong man" mistakes -- that is, cases in which an innocent person is convicted for a murder he did not commit. Indeed, missing from the media coverage was the most critical statistic: After reviewing 23 years of capital sentences, the study's authors (like other researchers) were unable to find a single case in which an innocent person was executed. Thus, the most important error rate -- the rate of mistaken executions -- is zero.
there, i do do research thank you very much, im not as ignorant as you would like to think
| | 0 @ 10-11-2003 08:20 Masterful_Ally | 15,627 posts
| The case I was mentioned was infact the early 60's I believe, if that is not a 'waste of life' then I don't know what is - does the fact it was 40 years ago make it somehow better? I don't see why. I have to go to college right now but I'll research some more case studies if I can when I get home.
Deciding to kill a man/woman is effectively playing God... surely all you christians out there would think it a bad thing? Including Mr. Bush one would hope, but apparently his religion only matters to him where it agrees with him...
Ally xxx | | 0 @ 10-11-2003 10:26 Plantagenet |
12,864 posts
| my problem with your speech is not only tha tyou say that there aren't any innocents killed, i know of a case in USA btw, only a few years ago, where a man (a black man, yes...) was put to death while he still said he hadn't done it, he never admitted he did it and the prove was very very very and I repeat VERY poor...,
but, my problem is, how can you think that killing someone is actually a good thing? if the criminal isn't allowed to do it, shouldn't the autorities give the good example? or is the whole system hypocritical and diabolising? I vote for the last one... |
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