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@ 22-09-2003 23:21 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| hey everybody. I just wanted to say this: I'm what some people call a "deist" which means I believe in a little word called "deism". Deism is simply the belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation. Basically what that means is I believe god created the earth and humans, but abandoned man and left him to find his way on his own.
So... anyone else out there that believes in deism?
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 0  @ 24-09-2003 18:44 Plantagenet | 
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| lol dekkie
well, yeah, perhaps he is masochist...he did after all create humans... | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 00:09 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| Excuse me, Planta? Did you actually say Voltaire was a wise man? How dare you. You better do some research. Voltaire was one heck of an effing idiot. Let me quote Voltaire himself: “One hundred years from my day there will not be a bible in the earth except one that is looked upon by an antiquarian curiosity seeker.”
Here's the good part: Twenty years after the death of Voltaire, the Geneva Bible Society purchased his house for printing the bible. It later became the Paris headquarters for the British and Foreign Bible Society, which stored and distributed Bibles throughout Europe.
Also, Voltaire sounds the name of an effing Pokemon. And don't defend him if your going to defend God, when Voltaire was practically the anti-christ. | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 00:59 cristobal265 | 224 posts
| Yeah I don't know anything about Volitare, or however you spell it. Sounds like he was dumb though.  | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 01:04 Dekar | 
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| God is a porn star. | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 09:41 lucky_bob | 1,728 posts
| AntiHP, Voltaire wrote about atheism in a time frame when the catholic ánd protestant religions were tearing Europe up, devouring it in a constant war and under a constant strain of taxes
Of course it was being abused by political forces for these purposes (territorial wars and military taxes were claimed in the name of God), but Voltaire was merely trying to solve the big problems of his time by getting rid of a few 'bad factors' like the church, the aristocracy and the remnants of feodal society.
Voltaire wás in fact a wise man, and the enlightenment was greatly influenced by his writings, as well as those of Montesquieu, Locke, Kant, Rousseau... To call him the anti-christ merely because he had a different opinion than your own is rather short-sighted. | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 10:55 andro | 
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AHP, please don't diss Pokemon since there are a few hardcore Pokemon players on the forum... And Voltaire and Voltorb should bever be compared... LOL
| | 0 @ 25-09-2003 11:47 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| Sorry, andro. 
Lucky Bob: I'm not just randomly calling Voltaire the anti-christ because my opinion is different. I'm calling him that be because he tried to destroy the bible and destroy Christianity. Sorry, but that sounds like the anti-christ to me. | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 11:50 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| I forgot to mention: anyone who tries to eternally erase the word of God is a moron. And who cares if he was a wise person? Adolf Hitler was wise, Marilyn Manson is wise (he's a frickin genius), plenty of people are wrong -- but what Voltaire just showed an extremely large amount of idiocy. | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 12:33 Plantagenet |
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| Excuse me, Planta? Did you actually say Voltaire was a wise man? How dare you. You better do some research. Voltaire was one heck of an effing idiot. Let me quote Voltaire himself: “One hundred years from my day there will not be a bible in the earth except one that is looked upon by an antiquarian curiosity seeker.”
Here's the good part: Twenty years after the death of Voltaire, the Geneva Bible Society purchased his house for printing the bible. It later became the Paris headquarters for the British and Foreign Bible Society, which stored and distributed Bibles throughout Europe.
Also, Voltaire sounds the name of an effing Pokemon. And don't defend him if your going to defend God, when Voltaire was practically the anti-christ.
Ahum......  Anti-christ? Nietsche, yeah, lol, but Voltaire? I suggest you do some research, honey, not me, I had history, remember, I'm near the sourse. You have to do some research about the century Voltaire lived in (18th century), what moral people and the Church had back then and you'll know why he said things like that (in short: the pope back then was more anti-christ than Voltaire)
He was a philiosopher, not a politician, he didn't litterally mean that, all he was doing was giving enough controversy to the public opinion to try to change things as they were back then (and they indeed did)
I have never in my life met anyone who though Voltaire was the anti-christ and to be honest and without offense, i find that amusing.... | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 20:46 lucky_bob | 1,728 posts
| this is a short biography from the University Of Tenessee webpage:
Voltaire (d. 1778) embraced the conception of natural religion with ardor, and entered into a polemics against intolerance in Church and State relations as well as against the philosophy of the Church and the prevailing religious Cartesianism (Essai sur les mmurs et l'esprit des nations, 1754-58; Dictionnaire philosophique, 1764). He derived his natural philosophy from Newton and Clarke, his theory of knowledge and his ideas on toleration from Locke, the main principles of his ethics from Shaftesbury, his critical method and the conception of natural religion from the Deists. All phenomena are explained historically by the interaction between man and his environment, and all things are governed by God acting only in accordance with natural laws. Natural morality and religion are not entirely innate ideas, but rather simple and universally prevalent conditions standing in need of development and following a course that leads through errors arising from ignorance and fear to an ultimate standard truth which is characterized as the "fruit of the cultivated reason." Deism is thereby emptied of all religious content and restricted to the field of morals and rational metaphysics.
All that is essentially characteristic of human nature is the same everywhere; all that depends on custom varies. The chief influences for changes in the human mind are climate, government, religion, and in opposition to these one should seek to arrive at the underlying, undiversified unity. "Dogma leads to fanaticism and strife; morality everywhere inspires harmony." The rise of positive religions may be studied psychologically in children and savages. Fear and ignorance of the law of nature are the primary causes; the parallel growth of social groups and the need of authority cooperate. In China alone natural religion has escaped this pernicious development. India be came the home of theological speculation, and influenced the religions of the West, of which the most important was Judaism as the parent of Christianity and Islam. Moses was a shrewd politician; the prophets were enthusiasts like the dervishes, or else epileptics; Jesus was a visionary like the founder of the Quakers, and his religion received life only through its union with Platonism. Voltaire's conception of the evolution of history entered deep into European thought. By the side of the party of the juste milieu and of good sense," of which Voltaire is the most prominent representative, there arose a school which carried the doctrines of mechanism and sensualism to their furthest consequences. and evolved a philosophy of materialism.
how is he the anti-christ, I ask? | | 0 @ 25-09-2003 22:14 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| I took a freaking BIBLE DOCTRINES class, I know what I'm talking about. If you don't think trying to destroy every copy of the damn bible and trying to erase Christianity from the planet isn't being the anti-christ, then your out of your effing mind.
Here's an example: Adolf Hitler tried to get rid of practically every Jew on the planet. This, we call genocide. It's the same as trying to bring Christianity to an end. It was practically genocide of the bible and Christianity. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 00:18 Puddle_of_sugar | 3,690 posts
| have any of you read the da vinci code by dan brown? its a very good book, with the ideas that it brings into light. it says that basically, jesus was a real person but that he had a wife (mary magdalin (SP) but the church wanted to make him look supreme or something like that, so they changed the stories and made her into a prostitute and wow, it's a really interesting concept, and saying how there are decendants of jesus and thats who they are trying to protect, trying to keep jesus's line going. you should read it, its interesting. i personally dont know what i believe, but i do think that all the stuff in the bible did happen (as in the old testement mainly) like the flood and the plagues and all of that fun stuff, but that it wasnt god, but a natural thing, and people then created this story around them. i dunno though. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 08:17 Plantagenet |
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| AnTiHurLeyPUnk1, you said it yourself, you took Bible doctrine classes, those are hardly neutral in this subject, are they? It's like saying you hate Maarten Luther for starting protestantism, while he merely wanted to protest against the way teh Church was organized and worked back then...
Please, try to put all historical things into its historical perspective! It's like comparing Michelangelo with Jackson Pollock: it's idiot to do so, cause both things come from a different period...
And comparing what Hitler did to the jews with someone who didn't actually burn all the bibles (did he? How on earth would he be able to do that? duh...)
Besides, there are plenty more people who didn't wnat christianity to exist anymore,a re they all the anti-christ? Nietsche said God died....is he the anti-christ? No, those people are just children of their time and society, so I suggest you study a bit history before you state theings like that
and another hint: it's not because you learned something that it is actually true...
| | 0 @ 26-09-2003 11:55 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| In my opinion, what Martin Luther did with the whole 95 thesis thing was a good thing because the church at that time was going about things wrongly and he was simply telling them they were doing it wrong.
Secondly, I never said Voltaire tried to burn every copy of the bible. (duh...)
Lastly, I'm not stupid, I know there were other people who didn't want Christianity to exist: but did they take action? Hmm... NO. Sure, someone can say "Yeah, I don't like black people." but it's the people that are shooting black people and robbing their stores are the people who really count. We're not concerned about the fucking people who just say things, we should be concerned about who's taking action on what they believe. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 11:57 Plantagenet |
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| Sorry, but what Voltaire did was the very same as Luther, only he didn't write it down like that.... | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 12:08 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| Okay, let's see. Luther tried to correct the church, and Voltaire tried to destroy Christianity... Yeah, I guess your right, looks like what they did were pretty similar. NOT!! PLANTA, ARE YOU THAT Flipping IGNORANT!?
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Please do not swear, I have other things do with my life besides editing your posts. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 12:18 Plantagenet |
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| I'm going to quit, no one calls me ignorant, sorry, but that goes a bit too far, we'll talk again when you have ahd the same education as me... | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 12:20 Masterful_Ally | 15,627 posts
| If there is one thing Plant isn't it is ignorant. AntiHurley, you're what - 12? It's great you have opinions, but really, don't presume to know as much about everything as someone 8 years your senior, and then proceed to get angry and abusive when you find you don't.
Ally xxx | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 12:25 Plantagenet |
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Thaks Ally! 
| | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:39 lucky_bob | 1,728 posts
| I took a freaking BIBLE DOCTRINES class, I know what I'm talking about
I'm in my last year of philosophy, Anti, I think that if I didn't understand the Enlightenment a bit better than you, we can conclude my education failed miserably. There's no point going around with authority arguments, because unless you take a real book about Voltaire and check that out you're nowhere near the source.
I'm going to make you a deal: give me a weekend to look it up, and I'll give you a summary of Voltaires philosophical thoughts about religion - I'll even put it in as plain English as I can.
That oughta settle it, I feel - because right now none of us know the matter well enough to discuss it in depth, and I don't take your word on the anti-christ business. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:40 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| I'm actually 14, and am in 10th grade. Although I am taking an 11th grade History class... | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:43 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| "I'm going to quit, no one calls me ignorant, sorry, but that goes a bit too far"
Well guess what, Planta. I just did. 
I repeat, Planta is one hell of an ignoramus. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:46 andro |
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| Isn't that a little immature? | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:57 AnTiHurLeyPUnk1 | 2,232 posts
| Yeah, I guess. But I do enjoy having the last word. | | 0 @ 26-09-2003 16:58 andro |
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