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21-09-2003 13:40 Shira88
12,289 posts	Lol, sorry, I've just noticed that there are tons of threads in this category about Christians (and all of its kinds), one about Islam, and none about Judism...And since THose 3 realigions are the main religions in this world it just made me laugh a bit that there isn't one about Judism...cough Right, forget it, I just wanted to share...

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22-09-2003 15:00 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	50% of the Old Testament is the History of Israel...so it is the truth (battles etc) The other 50% contains a lot about why Israel and the Jewish are what they are today, and not only them, but a lot of moral messages in christianity come from that too, with that, the moral of the Western world and all catholic countries (like half the world) So, it is historically and antropologian (sp?) very important to know about this, to learn about this, that doesn't mean that you actually have to believe in it. Compare it to me and the Tudors: Henry VIII reformed the Church of England, Elizabeth I was a protestant, I study about that, but that doesn't mean that I believe in what they thought... and besides that, jewish religion was the first religion that went in against the other religions in those days. All of them were based on sacraficing scapegoats (cfr René Girard, if you need more info), judaism went in against that by telling that God doesn't want us to sacrifice ppl (cfr Abraham & Isac). This is a very important step to out civilisation, this took care of the fact that we don't sacrifice each other anymore today...
22-09-2003 15:01 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	*judism, not judais, lol
22-09-2003 15:01 Shira88
12,289 posts	Look, we'll never agree on this subject .Yochai believes in 'God' and I don't. You believe in parts in the bible I don't. I won't to leave the Jewish religion while none of you can understand why. And with this I close this debate, bc We'll jsut keep no fighting without understanding eachother's opinions, and i really have a headache now as well...
22-09-2003 15:02 andro
43,215 posts	Hear hear Petra * offtopic : Although my religion still carried out human sacrifice right up until the Roman invasion of Britain... and no, I'm not proud of that fact
22-09-2003 15:03 Shira88
12,289 posts	I'm not dismissing their beliefes, I'm dismissing the fact that they're forcing me to believe in their beliefes.
22-09-2003 15:07 andro
43,215 posts	They're teaching you about it from their point of view... Maybe you should do it in your own time and from your own point of view?
22-09-2003 15:08 Guinness1759
5,220 posts	* offtopic : just for the record shira- I don't believe in god... I believe in humen race
22-09-2003 15:09 Shira88
12,289 posts	I'm sorry Petra, but 50% of the old testeamant (Sp.?) was not the history of Israel. hostory is something that is true (checked in the dictionary,lol) and the bible is not true. for me, hence it isn't the history of Israel.(and btw, Israel's a state, just say it as the 'history' of the sons of Israel.) 'God' helps the Sons of Israel in their wars, killing thousands of other ppl, from other religions, so 'God' wasn't so comapssionate.
22-09-2003 15:12 andro
43,215 posts	* offtopic : Here is a major problem with monotheistic relgions - you can't get rid of the worst sides so easily since it comes pre-packaged with the good
22-09-2003 15:13 Shira88
12,289 posts	Anmdro, those rules they made are actually the rules of the state of Israel since its definition is a Jewish Democratic State, some politicians want to get the Jewish out of the business, but the religious Jews will not let them. That is why stores, malls and some restaurants aren't opened on Fridays and Saturdays, in most places here, you can't sell pork, and when you drive around in your car on a Saturday religious people throw stones at your car, that's what 'god' taught them. Now, please can we finish this? my head's exploading.
22-09-2003 15:39 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	Shira, 50% of the Old Testament really is historically proven to reallyhave happened... example: the flee (sp?) from Egypt. Historians could do reasearch on that by Egyptian sources and could so really find out the dates and all of this happening. same goes for the Kings of Isreal, David really did live and it is historically proven. (just like Christ's exinstance is realy proven from Roman sources, who kept a list of all executed people.) There is a big difference between historical facts and the religious part of it. As a historian you can find out if some peole mentioned in the bible really lived, if some fact did happen, and then it's not a matter of believing it, but then it's a fact. All the other things, like miracles etc, can't be proven, and then the text of the bible becomes a religious one. Being thaught about something and believing it's true are also 2 different things. I have learned about buddhism, hinduism, islam, etc etc, but that doesn't mean I believe in all that, but that is not the point of learning something about other religions, or your own religion, and culture....
22-09-2003 15:44 Shira88
12,289 posts	gets very very pissed off Where did I say that I didn't learn about my own religion, or other religions?!?!?! I learned a lot about it, since I'm forced to learn about my own religion, I chose to learn about other religions. And no, this is not the main reason why I hate Judism. the story of 'the getting out of Egypt' was proven. Yes. the 10 'miracles' (blood, frogs, darkness, lice, and all other I can't spell) were proven as nature inccidents that cuased it, not 'God', Moses, and all those crap. Now Ally, please close this thread !!!!!!! Why did i even start it?!
22-09-2003 16:02 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	Shira, please calm down!! What's the point in making yourself angry. All we are doing is pointing out that judism sin't really that stupid as you describ eit, but that it is the roots of the wetsern civilisation...you can hardly underestimate teh power of it knowing that, an dyou can't know anything about the world today, if you don't know it's history and it's moral roots... Besides, where did i say that you don't learn about your religion? and, No need to ask ally to close a topic, simply because we can't agree, what the point of having discussions than in the first place?
23-09-2003 13:12 Shira88
12,289 posts	First of all Plant, let me just tell you that I know a bit more about my religion than you, no matter how much you've studied it, bc I've been living it all my life, So I know what it's like and it doesn't matter if I'm Reform, or Orthodox, or Conservative, or anything else, And if I think it's stupid I'm basing on something here, from studying and knowing it for 15 years. Second: This thread wasn't meant to be an urgument. I was just poniting out that it amused me that there are tons about Christianity and some about Islam, and none about Judism that formed them all. That's it. Nothing more.
23-09-2003 13:37 Plantagenet
12,864 posts	Shira, did I ever say tha you know less about it than me? I don' tthink so.... and you telling me that you know all about it, because you live in it, prouves exactly my point: that religion is more than something with God, but that it is a culture and with that something that you are confronted with every day... And, there isn't even an argument going on about judism, but about wheater or not you like to learn about it....
23-09-2003 13:40 Shira88
12,289 posts	Of course I don't know all about it. I know most of it, and from what I know this religion is a stupid, thinks-it's-superior religion. The urgument isn't wether I like learning about it. Bc I don't, it's a fact. The urgument is why should I be forced to study something I don't believe in whatsoever. Now, please, just if you could not reply this till at least, tomorrow, I am in a very bad mood.
25-09-2003 20:35 lucky_bob
1,728 posts	or you could just not reply yourself, Shira, no one is forcing you
13-04-2004 20:30 NIRVANAGUY98
1,602 posts	I love bein Jewish. Its the best. But I hate When people only no what Channukah (i dont no how to spell it) is. And i no like 5 or 6 people that hate jews in my neighborhood and the treat me like sh**
13-04-2004 20:30 NIRVANAGUY98
1,602 posts	I love bein Jewish. Its the best. But I hate When people only no what Channukah (i dont no how to spell it) is. And i no like 5 or 6 people that hate jews in my neighborhood and the treat me like sh**
13-04-2004 20:30 NIRVANAGUY98
1,602 posts	woops
13-04-2004 20:33 elinor1
6,657 posts	ya, we have our own thread
13-04-2004 20:33 Shira88
12,289 posts	Aww, I remember this thread. Wipes tear That was so long ago. And yeah, it's spelled Hannukah if I'm not mistaken.
13-04-2004 20:34 Shira88
12,289 posts	Lol, Elinor, it caused many troubles back in those days.
13-04-2004 20:36 elinor1
6,657 posts	in thise days they didnt had a LSI site
13-04-2004 20:40 elinor1
6,657 posts	i hope this thread isnt a searious one..

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