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Shootings at Virginia Tech
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@ 16-04-2007 16:54 Pandora | 
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| update:
recent article
The gunman responsible for at least the second of the two Virginia Tech attacks that claimed 33 lives to become the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, a campus student in the United States on a permanent resident visa.
Cho, the shooter was a resident of Centerville, Va with his family, but lived on campus at VT. There were two shootings on campus, both weapons found on Cho were used in both shootings so authories are assuming right now that he was the only shooter, but that he might have had help from others.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression. The Tribune also reported that Cho's family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who atatended Princeton University. Cho and his family came to the United States in 1992, when he was 8 years old.
Cho was found amoung the student's he slain, believed to have ended his own life by shooting himself in the head. A list of the victims.
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this is insane... there could be around 20 people dead right now? This uni had bomb threats called in recently.. do you think they aren't taking these threats seriously enough?
It's been a bad month, April always seems to be.. it's not even made it to the 20th. There was a kid with a bomb at my old highschool last week... and now this.
Evidently he shot a teacher, he's lined up some of the kids and shot them exacution style.. and he was actually searching for his girlfriend? This following that other guy that shot his girlfriend then tried to kill himself at the CNN building in ATL... a couple of weeks ago.
=( what's the world coming to? why are all of the warning signs being ignored?
there was a quote in a local news article I read the other day which is completely true :
"Look at the case studies, including Columbine. We find out time after time that a certain number of students knew something wasn't right before something ever happened."
something should seriously be done about this.
rockon
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 0  @ 22-04-2007 04:03 PunkRckr8 | 
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| Actually, there has been quite a bit of dissent between Republicans and Democrats over this issue/event as of late. | | 0 @ 22-04-2007 09:06 BynnaD | 
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| Urm, I'm not saying were better than you, what I am saying is your worse than us. | | 0 @ 22-04-2007 10:14 Dagor | 
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| and to tell a person that they cant buy a firearm because he/she is going to college is just stupid. restricting guns to only hunting reserves is just as stupid
I think my brain is exploding ... could anyone please explain to me why you would need a gun for in a civilised country? I fail to understand completely, honestly. People don't have guns in Europe and it honestly never crossed my mind thinking "Oh, it would be handy to have a gun now"
maybe the average american penis isn't that big after all, so you need to compensate that with a gun?
(okay, at least here in germany we compensate that with cars .. hehe) | 0 @ 22-04-2007 16:05 Bucephalus | 
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| Our penises are large. We've got lots of blacks.
Daniel, I don't think handguns and such are necessary, but the fact is that it is far too late now. It'd b eimpossible to rid the country of handguns, so we are basically stuck where we are at.
| | 0 @ 22-04-2007 20:39 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| Urm, I'm not saying were better than you, what I am saying is your worse than us.
that still makes YOU the better. or so you think. like i said, what difference does it make if someone gets shot or someone gets stabbed? please, tell me. and to say, well since its coming from America im not surprised, seriously, F you. it makes you sound like your being completely arrogant and a total dick, which undoubtedly despite what your connotations were, thats how you came across and thats what i think of you.
and Daniel, i had a debate this week with a co-worker about professors having guns in classrooms now. its completely absurd. we are a civilized nation, the necessity for guns aside from hunting and policing is astounding. and to then think about giving professors guns, fighting guns with more guns is not the answer and it never will be. | | 0 @ 22-04-2007 21:41 Dagor |
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| yeah, I can understand that it has become a spiral from which you won't be able to free yourself that easily anymore ... it's very sad really.
On the other hand .. there are cracked up people here too ... and they too are able to get guns if they want to and kill a number of students ... so it's not just the fact that they are easier to get your hands on | | 0 @ 23-04-2007 02:56 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| oh no, not at all. if someone wants to do something like that, they will. there is no stopping them. thats how i dont think fighting guns with more guns help, or even trying to make tougher gun laws help. a killer will find a way to kill despite any barrier we place in front of them. | | 0 @ 23-04-2007 08:20 Dagor |
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| I am not sure ... I do think barriers help.
It's like this: if I don't have chocolate in the house, I probably won't eat it, because I have to go to the supermarket and get the car out and stuff. However, if the chocolate is in the cupboard, I will eat it, even though I shouldn't.
The fact that you could get guns easily induces the will to use them.
This guy has planned this long before. So he will have thought about it how to get guns and will have found that that is the lesser problem.
I am sure the US is just as civilised as any other country. Still, the homicide rate is 3 times higher than in any other european country. You can't ignore this and the fact that firearms are easier to get will induce a higher crime rate. But that is only the description of the problem. To get out of that situation will not be so easy. And sometimes I think that the average american rather takes the risk of getting shot than to lose his 'freedom' (I can be wrong of course) | | 0 @ 25-04-2007 17:10 BynnaD |
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 | Choke on your opinions please | | 0 @ 26-04-2007 18:46 Pandora |
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| I am sure the US is just as civilised as any other country. Still, the homicide rate is 3 times higher than in any other european country
and we also have bigger population.
Fighting guns with guns is never the answer... it really sickens me sometimes to see how ignorant some Americans tend to be towards their own issues.
There has been alot more development on this story... so many signs that went unattended to, and situations that by law could not be dealt with... it's really sad that we can't seem to prevent these tragedies, even with the horrible circumstances before they occur.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 02:30 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| signs are only signs until they become actions. theres nothing we could have done. they already had put him in 2 mental hospitals and he was released and was even labeled as a danger to himself and others, and he still was let go. this whole thing isnt on anyone but him and those facilities. | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 03:15 Pandora |
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| which is why I said and situations that by law could not be dealt with until you commit a crime, you can't be punished for it.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 04:08 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| yeaaaah but thats just the warning signs. the fact he got put in medical wards and released for some out patient thing is bogus. | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 04:12 sweet_J_ | 17,089 posts
| One thing I still don't understand is how they didn't cancel classes after a double homicide took place on campus. Lives could have been saved. | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 04:18 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| i've had much debate with that with people and its like, at the time of the first shootings, they could have gotten word out faster however, speaking as a college student, i check my school email maybe twice a week. and chances the majority of the people on that campus, not just in that building, wouldnt even have gotten the email because they said most commute for those early classes. they dont/didnt have a call system set up. kind of hard with 25-thousand students. chances are, those students would have been there anyways. and honestly, who knew that the guy would open fire again a half mile away?
while i think, yeah, the school could potentially have done more, its really hard for them to. it sucks this happened but now other schools are no longer being lax. for example, my school is setting up a call system for emergencies. as im sure many others are as well. it just sucks it takes a tragedy for it to happen. | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 13:35 Pandora |
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| the students might not have been able to check their email, but I bet atleast 90% of the professors on campus are on a computer almost all the time. If all the faculty and staff were informed they should have informed each student as they saw them, and released all of the students back to their dorms or away from the school.
after the first shooting the campus should have been shut down.... completely. and word of a shutdown campus would have traveled fast between the students.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 27-04-2007 13:52 Dagor |
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| Perhaps it's just me .. but if you have a shooting and you don't have the guy who did it, it might be wise to take any precautions possible and not let the people enter the premises ... and there are a lot of ways to do that .. even with megaphones as a last resort.
It probably would have been like this that one doesn't want bad publicity, so everything is kept a bit under the rug at first ... shootings attract the press and security or the people in charge of security (and that includes the management of the college) usually have a hard time explaining why such a thing could happen .. so they might have tried to keep the first shooting quiet ... too bad that a second one happened. | | 0 @ 28-04-2007 19:49 BynnaD |
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| lmao carded for that, what a joke. Is sarcasm so hard to understand in this day and age | | 0 @ 29-04-2007 02:33 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| from you, its no sarcasm. | | 0 @ 29-04-2007 16:30 BynnaD |
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| Oh haha, someday you'll be funny | | 0 @ 29-04-2007 20:57 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| im not attempting to be funny. im telling you the truth. | | 0 @ 29-04-2007 22:47 Bucephalus |
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| Yeah, it was a lame card. But what do you expect with new mods?
But it still wasn't sarcasm. | | 0 @ 30-04-2007 01:59 Dagor |
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| I for one hope that this carding-hype won't start again ... | | 0 @ 30-04-2007 11:45 DarXide | 
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| I heard there was another shooting. But at Kansas perhaps and in a shooting mall. Way to go U.S.?
Mind you, I don't read the paper that often. Yet there is so much crime going on all around the world; it's like a crime wave or something. | | 0 @ 30-04-2007 12:27 Pandora |
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| yea there have been quite a few more shootings since this one.
And Danny, I carded you for that.. because I'm tired of your nonsense. If you want to run your mouth all day long at anyone and everyone, so be it. But from now on you'll be carded just like any other spammer.
rockon
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