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Shootings at Virginia Tech
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@ 16-04-2007 16:54 Pandora | 
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| update:
recent article
The gunman responsible for at least the second of the two Virginia Tech attacks that claimed 33 lives to become the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, a campus student in the United States on a permanent resident visa.
Cho, the shooter was a resident of Centerville, Va with his family, but lived on campus at VT. There were two shootings on campus, both weapons found on Cho were used in both shootings so authories are assuming right now that he was the only shooter, but that he might have had help from others.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression. The Tribune also reported that Cho's family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who atatended Princeton University. Cho and his family came to the United States in 1992, when he was 8 years old.
Cho was found amoung the student's he slain, believed to have ended his own life by shooting himself in the head. A list of the victims.
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this is insane... there could be around 20 people dead right now? This uni had bomb threats called in recently.. do you think they aren't taking these threats seriously enough?
It's been a bad month, April always seems to be.. it's not even made it to the 20th. There was a kid with a bomb at my old highschool last week... and now this.
Evidently he shot a teacher, he's lined up some of the kids and shot them exacution style.. and he was actually searching for his girlfriend? This following that other guy that shot his girlfriend then tried to kill himself at the CNN building in ATL... a couple of weeks ago.
=( what's the world coming to? why are all of the warning signs being ignored?
there was a quote in a local news article I read the other day which is completely true :
"Look at the case studies, including Columbine. We find out time after time that a certain number of students knew something wasn't right before something ever happened."
something should seriously be done about this.
rockon
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 0  @ 18-04-2007 19:22 Pandora |
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| I was talking to Rob about it yesterday....
Video games are an outlet for alot of people.. and most don't learn anything from them than they could have online or through their families... If anything the video games can keep the lunies at bay by keeping them glued to a TV in their rooms.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:24 PunkRckr8 | 
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| they say it was an open campus...I say B.S. we have an open campus as well, anyone can get it and anyone can get out, of course it's a highschool not a college...but the same measures could have been taken, more so I think because IT'S A COLLEGE.
Maybe I just think this because I go to a large school, but V Tech was still pretty big. . .but a college campus is essentially a small town, I'm not saying its impossible, but it would have been insanely hard to put the campus on "Lock down" with such short notice, and probably have started a panic of sorts if they would have flat out revealed that people had been shot.
And I'm not sure if its already been brought up or not, but I'm absolutely appalled at the media coverage concerning this. Not just CNN and FOX, who wouldn't leave the students alone for 2 seconds, but even the campus based media was in on it. I'm all for getting information out about what's going on, but you don't need a billion interviews to do that. | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:28 Htd1 | 
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| it's true.. because when i play San Andreas, it puts me in the mood to go to the gun store, buy a badass gun and a flamethrower (and some body armour) and then run around shooting people and line cars up and then flame them all in a straight line. it also makes me want to pick up prostitutes and steal hardcore cars. | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:30 PunkRckr8 |
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| don't forget about doing insane jumps with motorcycles
I know I go around tearing peoples hearts out after I play mortal kombat too, its a nice release
| | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:32 Pandora |
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| ooh try ripping out their skeletons ... or just screaming randomly 'get over here'... it's a complete rush.
.. but for those quieter days, I just like to turn into a big pink marshmellow and eat stuff =)
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:33 PunkRckr8 |
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| ahaha, that's the type breaking news we need
Kirby emulators run amok | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:38 Htd1 |
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| or i go and collect coins in my basement | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:41 PunkRckr8 |
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| yeah, but that usually leads to tripping out on mushrooms | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:47 mayana07 | 
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| they could have.
students have phones. they could have gottten in touch with them somehow.
why send an email? | | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:52 PunkRckr8 |
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| e-mail is the only thing the university can be sure that each and every student has and will receive. All personal information, such as current address and phone numbers are up to the student to keep updated, I know plenty of people around here that have incorrect information in the university system
The only thing that I can think off would be for the local police to drive through campus and alert everyone, which would most likely have been a joint decision between the school and the police, which would have still taken time to arrange (albeit maybe not however many hours went by)
| | 0 @ 18-04-2007 19:56 Htd1 |
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| but back on topic.. my good mates old bf from highschool, his brother was shot in the face. you might've heard about it.. he went to clearview HS, is from NJ.. etc | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 00:37 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| Maya, not everyone on a 25000 thousand person campus has a constant cell phone number or even give their number to the school. nor does a college have a call system set up for that many people. email is the only way they can mass communicate with their students. | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 01:24 Bucephalus | 
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| fact 2. you suck.
Quoted for the truth. Lol, I was waiting till Danny came in here ignorantly saying anti-America bullshit. Took longer than expected.
I also realize it would be almost impossible to have a lockdown.. but my guess is that the best bet would have been to contact the people in charge of each individual building, then have those people alert the kids and teachers or whatever in those buildings.
| | 0 @ 19-04-2007 03:46 BlackRia | 
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| A very very simple way to solve this problem:
Don't let the freakin poopulation to have guns!!!
When I heard these shootouts all the time, I always wonder where they get their guns. In here in HK, I don't think there's a "shop" that sells guns...no wonder HK is one of the safest cities in the world. | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 03:49 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| the kid had the guns legally. what else do you want?
to ban guns in America would be impossible. and it would also, in a way, go against the second amendment, although most people who own guns arent part of a militia. | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 05:00 PunkRckr8 |
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| banning guns in America at this point in time would only increase the already wide spread, and volatile black market for firearms
Anyone else hear how now the Scientologists are so eager to offer their "help", a.k.a. recruit, those who have been traumatized by all of this? | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 12:31 Pandora |
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| banning guns in America at this point in time would only increase the already wide spread, and volatile black market for firearms
exactly what I keep telling everyone.
I was actually completely shocked at this older guy that came into work yesterday.... he's a retired 911 dispatcher that still works the radios sometimes, and he was saying all this about how the cadets that are sposably at VT should have been trained and armed, (evidently they are students there or something) and he said 'as soon as he started shooting they would have taken him out, case closed'..
I just wanted to scream... WTF is your problem?!?! Fight guns with more guns? More people would have prolly died then.
Making laws around guns is kind of aggrivating as well.... alot of people in the US hunt, it's a way of life for alot of people... so there's no way that guns could be completely banned... especially with the gun traffic from all over the place to here.
And even then, wasn't it in Germany? Were some guy killed all these people, and he was allowed to own guns because he was apart of the gun clubs and had rights to it and all...
Along with that.... in VA it's the easiest I think of anywhere to get a gun, the laws there are slack. Here you have to have a background check and all kinds of things before you can have a carrying permit. The guy at that shop should have looked into the fact that he was a college student living on campus.... guns aren't allowed on campus. There have been quite a few incidents where the guns have came from VA.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 12:48 LeLox | 1,136 posts
| I don't think banning guns is the solution. It's an easy way of temporarily solving the problem. If somebody is sick enough to want to kill someone then I don't think getting a gun illegally would be an issue for him. If this person wants to kill they will find a way. I think we should look at the deeper reasons, what would make such person so angry that he'd kill all those people? What would tick him off that much? This guy was crazy and dangerous. He should've been kept in a mental assylum not a university. | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 12:54 Pandora |
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| But you can't just go around locking up everyone with an anger problem.
Having less access out there to firearms would help the situation... just so any joeblow 21 year old out there couldn't get one.
Whenever I had talked to some kids from my old highschool where they had the kid with the bomb, they kept saying that he got bullied, blah blah... and the question kept coming to mind.... why didn't someone say 'hey quit picking on the kid.. ?' anything?
But even in this shooting you can't say anything of the sort.... these students openly reached out to this guy... he wasn't bullied... he wasn't wronged. He was a sick guy with some mental issues that should have been forcebly dealt with.... and with his history around the college he actually shouldn't have still been attending the school, nor living on campus.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 13:09 LeLox | 1,136 posts
| Yes it would decrease the number of shootings but what about all the other normal people who own guns for hunting?
Have you seen the notes that the shooter sent to NBC? The pictures of him smiling and holding guns against his head and aiming at the camera? He commented on each picture and it was clear somebody pissed him off big time. He refered to Americans as 'hedonists' and said that people attacked him the way 9/11 attacked America. I think he must've been bullied or looked down upon! | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 13:26 Pandora |
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| I have already mentioned hunting in my previous post... one of the simplest solutions I can think of there, is having hunting reserves, people checkin/checkout their weapons on the reserve to hunt... while they aren't hunting the firearms stay in a suitable storage by some facility. Sure that won't go over with anyone... because they would rather have a chance of things happening such as this... than deal with a bit of inconvience.
And yes.. I have read about what he sent into NBC, I need to get send a mod another update for the thread. article.
Snippets of what was posted:
You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy’s life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people.
Do you know what it feels to be spit on your face and to have trash shoved down your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave?
Do you know what it feels like to have throat slashed from ear to ear? Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive?
Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross? And left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life. Did you want to inject as much misery in our lives as you can just because you can?
You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasn’t enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren’t enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasn’t enough. Your vodka and Cognac weren’t enough. All your debaucheries weren’t enough. Those weren’t enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.
It seems more that he considers himself a 'general martyr'.. he didn't have anything specifically happen to him, but he believes he's speaking out on behalf of the broken.
He's got a hatred for the wealthy... and those that suffocate the weak and defenseless.... but it doesn't show really that he himself was the victim of any type of abuse.
rockon
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| | 0 @ 19-04-2007 15:39 DaDdY_DoLlaZ | 
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| on the gun issue..
its pretty much the same buying a gun in one state as it is any other. a backgrowund check really wont stop anything unless you are a convicted felon, or pending a felony charge. and to tell a person that they cant buy a firearm because he/she is going to college is just stupid. restricting guns to only hunting reserves is just as stupid. what do you do with all of the people who already own guns.. some guns worth thousands and thousands of dollars.. collectors guns, that have never even been shot. i suppose you just send the re-po man around to collect ALL firearms in the US? thats a lot of guns. and a lot of angry people.
i owned guns the whole time i went to college and highschool.. but i never took one to school because i have common sense. they stayed at my parents house like always. just like when the kid threw a rock at the teacher in 3rd grade and got everybody in class a detention, this is one guy messing it up for everyone. just because some fool doesnt have a concience and cant control himself doesnt mean people like me should lose my property, or have to pay more for it.
like Curt has said.. there is just no realistic solution to this problem, which is why it still happens. some people are just not right. and you cant just run everyones head through a scanner and let it sort out the crazies. we just have to use our best judgment to avoid things like this for now.
in my opinion.. its the police that needs to get on the damn ball. i bet they have no problem making it to that college to bust up a drinking party, or write a little citation(?) or a simple possesion charge or whatever. but when you really need them to handle something serious like this... they are always too late and mess it up. | | 0 @ 19-04-2007 15:49 lonewolfatheist | 
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| I think it goes back to the "everyone has their emo phase", and it seems some people don't grow out of it...... | | 0 @ 20-04-2007 00:07 theUSED78161 | 2,062 posts
| I remember I was in class on my cell phone and the homepage was netscape.com and it was "breaking news" and when I read about it, there was like less than 20 people dead then I heard 33 (including the gunman) and I wanted to cry. Its terrible. And when they interviewed the victims brothers and family, you just had to break down. And then yesterday when they had the pictures of the gunman pointing the gun at the camera, its like you go back in time and youre in one of the students brains watching the gunman shoot at you and theres nothing you can do. Then the bomb threat yesterday at the U of M and today, aftr my regional choir contest I got back to school and heard my little sisters middle school had a bomb threat. It just makes you think and you just get frustrated because you really cant do anything about it. Its crazy and it sucks...theres really nothing to describe it. Im not here to talk about the gun situation or whatever. Just how much everyone should pray or hope that the victims families get through this. But everything happens for a reason and this will all teach us something. We might not knwo it yet and are just filled with a lot of anger or some of us might not even care. But I hope everyone can feel safe in their schools, homes, towns, country, etc. | | 0 @ 20-04-2007 01:37 Ice44 | 
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| Oh my god. Yesterday, I was on the NBC website to look at all the info on this crazy motherfucker and all the stupid shit that he did to cause mass panic. Now I know this is gonna sound satirical, but I just wanna throw it out there and people can take it however they want. Okay, when I was watching the video of him saying his little schpiel about how great he is (the whole time I was watching it, I just envisioned myself pounding the shit out of his face until it was mush!!). So as he was talking, I noticed that he spoke with a certain familiarity. Now it took me a couple minutes to think about who he reminded me of, then I started to laugh (not in an evil way) when I the thought popped into my head. This guy reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite! Aw, f***, just the way he sounds when he talks, and the way his maneurisms were, and also how he didn't look at the camera (eye-contact). I just wanted to spread that little bit of news during this abomination of an event in human history. |
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