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Shootings at Virginia Tech
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@ 16-04-2007 16:54 Pandora | 
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| update:
recent article
The gunman responsible for at least the second of the two Virginia Tech attacks that claimed 33 lives to become the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, a campus student in the United States on a permanent resident visa.
Cho, the shooter was a resident of Centerville, Va with his family, but lived on campus at VT. There were two shootings on campus, both weapons found on Cho were used in both shootings so authories are assuming right now that he was the only shooter, but that he might have had help from others.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression. The Tribune also reported that Cho's family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who atatended Princeton University. Cho and his family came to the United States in 1992, when he was 8 years old.
Cho was found amoung the student's he slain, believed to have ended his own life by shooting himself in the head. A list of the victims.
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this is insane... there could be around 20 people dead right now? This uni had bomb threats called in recently.. do you think they aren't taking these threats seriously enough?
It's been a bad month, April always seems to be.. it's not even made it to the 20th. There was a kid with a bomb at my old highschool last week... and now this.
Evidently he shot a teacher, he's lined up some of the kids and shot them exacution style.. and he was actually searching for his girlfriend? This following that other guy that shot his girlfriend then tried to kill himself at the CNN building in ATL... a couple of weeks ago.
=( what's the world coming to? why are all of the warning signs being ignored?
there was a quote in a local news article I read the other day which is completely true :
"Look at the case studies, including Columbine. We find out time after time that a certain number of students knew something wasn't right before something ever happened."
something should seriously be done about this.
rockon
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 0  @ 16-04-2007 20:21 Pandora |
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| they didn't handle it well... most of the kids didn't know about the first shooting before the second shooting happened.. and they were hours apart.
So you don't think that officals and school counselors should have approached those two guys that shot up Columbine about their websites and their threats? We should just accept that they were angry teens?
Or we should just accept that kids will be kids.. even if it includes shooting up their schools? Or killing themselves in the hallways?
They don't have to close down the schools to reach out to the few troubled teens that show up in their classrooms.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 20:24 Bucephalus | 
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| A few troubled teens?
What teen isn't troubled. Christ, you'd look at me somedays and probably think I'm a school shooter. Well, not really...but the point is that most high schoolers gets depressed at some point. Everyone's got their troubles.
I can't confirm or deny about those Columbine websites...I'm sure that if the school knew about the sites, they would have said something. I know around here threats and stuff are not tolerated one bit.
| | 0 @ 16-04-2007 20:28 batmanpinkypunk | 
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| exactly tab. ppl didnt know what happened. ppl werent kept under lockdown. this guy should not have been able to make it to the other side of the campus.
there are policies/procedures on this stuff, but whats the point b/c in the moment it doesnt happen. i understand that it is different from practice than when it actually happens, but SOMEBODY should have done something. | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 20:40 Pandora |
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| There's some woman fighting this point on Fox News right now, she said something to the extent of 'at 730 this morning those kids should have been in a complete lockdown' if they were ... 30 kids wouldn't have died.
Curt please.. don't patronize me. You can tell the 'troubled teens' from the twisted kids that make death threats. The authorities knew about the websites the Columbine shooters made years before they ever went into their school and killed people.
There is no prevention... people aren't taking these situations seriously. All of those college students should have been completely aware within the hour of what was going on within their campus. Just the same as the teens of Columbine should have not been allowed to carry out there public threats against their fellow students.
It's the same with.. no abused child should go unnoticed. No depressed teen with suicidal/homocidal threats should go uncounciled.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 20:50 Bucephalus |
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| Curt please.. don't patronize me. You can tell the 'troubled teens' from the twisted kids that make death threats. The authorities knew about the websites the Columbine shooters made years before they ever went into their school and killed people.
Bullshit.
I'd really like to see you walk into a school for me and pick out all of the "troubled teens" and then seperate them from the "twisted kids." What, we gonna just subject all the gothic kids to counseling now? Gimme a break.
and what about the kids who never make a threat? You don't think there have been school shooters who didn't make threats before their attack? Or maybe you just wanna counsel every kid who's ever jokingly said "I'm gonna kill you." | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 20:51 batmanpinkypunk |
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| honestly i agree. when we had like 3 rapists loose on campus last year we were fully informed *&* told you know? i know its not the same thing, but having the information plays a big part.
if they had told the ppl what was going on im sure alot of them would not have gone out. if i were told there was a gunman shooting ppl on campus i sure as hell would not be going to class. | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 21:24 NightHobbit | 23,464 posts
| most kids who say they're gunna kill whatever or so studies have shown it's usually the quiet ones, the oens you least suspect, the good ones as you'd call them. | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 21:30 Bucephalus |
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| Yeah, most kids who say this and that just wanna scare people or get attention. I mean, I know of tons of quiet loners at my school. Doesn't mean they should all be counseled or whatever. Even if they were, they could just refuse to answer questions or answer falsely.
Shooting up a place is easy as cake, let's be real. Most places don't have metal detectors at every door. It's not real tough to conceal a weapon either, a coat pocket would even do. I am very very surprised shooting don't happen more often to be honest.
Terrible job by VTech though. I'll agree with that. The shootings were 2 freaking hours apart... I do wonder where the shooter went during that time though. Still, there is a fatal shooting and you don't cancel classes? Dumbasses. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people their lost their jobs. | | 0 @ 16-04-2007 21:57 Pandora |
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| You would be surprised at the kids that actually show themselves to be in pain or hurting and perfectly capable of doing things like this.. even if it's not in the schools they grow up into it and then you end up having serial killers on your hands.. don't tell me it doesn't start when you are young, and don't tell me that we should just accept it as a part of life.. when SOMETHING can be done about it.
SOMETHING, even if it's just more awareness... even if it's gruesome videos that show the actual aftermath... even if it's group talks about life and what's really going on.. EVEN if it's a few people in schools here or there willing to really reach out to these kids that are bullied or whatever, and give them someone to go to.. you can't just sit back and accept it.. when there are MILLIONS of things that you could be doing to prevent it.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 02:20 NightHobbit | 23,464 posts
| Sorry tab I love you to death but I said this to a friend of mine who cares so deeply about something but does nothing for that thing yet complains when it gets treated wrong. I'm calling it thing because I don't know what to call it.
What I said was, "All this talking and complaining about what should be done about it isn't getting anywhere, if you really want this change soooooo much go out and change it. Talking about it won't change anything."
Basically go and get a lawyer and pass laws go and set up charities or whatever to actually help prevent it, if you care so much about it. Talking about it won't change it and it won't affect anyone. Going out there and actually doing something to try and change it is actually going to benefit someone. | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 02:41 Bucephalus |
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| Yeah, it does start when you are young...
What do you wanna do now? Have officers and counselors visit every home of every child and make sure their parents treat them a certain way?
Seriously, let's just be real about it and stop living in make-believe-world. I don't care how many classes you offer, how many ideas you may have, their are still gonna be occasional shootings. Doesn't matter what you do. You can't crack down on everything 100% of the time, it just isn't possible.
Everyone's got their issues, especially teenagers. How exactly do you wanna pick and choose who needs counseling and who doesn't? Umm, you are wearing all black and act like a douche, so you better go to counseling. Increase awareness? Lol, what awareness here? Everyone's aware that shooting exist. I think everyone agrees the government isn't faking these deaths.. I'm sure people know that kids get depressed. I'm guessing almost every town in this country has the resources available for a kid to get help. Hell, a good friend or parents or teacher, etc... There are free hotlines, classes, and local services too.
It's a matter of the kid not caring enough to get help. And the thing is, you can't make them get help. It's up to them. People are just fucked up sometimes. You can't predict school shootings... It's not like they happen a lot, at all. Consider how damn easy it is for a second, now consider how little they happen. Hell, Columbine was 1999. The way people talk, you'd think there are school shootings every day here in the US.
Unless you have some kind of plan, you might as well cram it and accept it. It doesn't matter what you do, it's gonna happen. Nothing wrong with accepting it. | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:05 mikey_boy | 20,467 posts
| I highly doubt music or video games were an influence to a man.
maybe young kids that think it's real but it's not...idk....
Grown people know what they're doing.
and he killed himself...wtf. okay so not only are you hurting your family..you just murdered 31 other people with families as well.
and for what? what good did he solve?
no. the dude who shot up the college in Montreal was what, 22? and they still played the Doom and the Columbine Doom card on him saying the reason he did was because of those games. like i said before, people cant just accept someone is fucked up. they always need something/someone to put the blame on. | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:15 Foxy69 | 76 posts
| This was a horrifying day. When I heard about it i was devastated for the families and what they are going through right now. My heart goes out to all of them. | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:28 settosig | 4 posts
| It’s really a sad situation on hand! I feel terrible for the families that have to endure the heartache! I do believe it has a lot to do with the gun! I hope the sloppy political powers that be can find a way to eradicate their gun policy! I also think VT should take full responsibility for what happened because there were warning signs! As soon as they discovered there was a domestic disturbance which evolved a gun. They should have evacuated! The guy had a whole two hours to get to the next building to kill all those people!
My condolences go out to all the 33 families and may god or whom ever the believe in! are with them in there desperate time of need
| | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:36 NewRadio | 6 posts
| I've seen tons of people talking about this, watching it on the news, listening to it on the radio etc.
They're all talking about how messed up this kid must be.
But see, I'm not really looking at how the kid was, he's gone, it's over.
What I'm looking at is the fellow students reactions on TV.
You know what I noticed?
NOT ONE SINGLE BLOODY TEAR
How can you stand there on TV and talk about 30+ of your fellow students being shot by some crazy guy and NOT shed a tear? How can they be SO DAMN CALM about this?!
If that isn't a sign that our society has become completely desensitized, I don't know what is.
| | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:45 Bucephalus |
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| I can see you're a real genius. Desensitized? Umm, the news crew doesn't want sobbing emotional wrecks trying to tell the entire nation exactly what went down. The people talking aren't the best friends of the victims, they are just a few of the thousands of VTech students.
Ok, sensiq, what idea do you have in mind for gun policies then? | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 04:47 Bucephalus |
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| I meant settosiq.
And blaming music and games is dogshit. | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 05:35 NewRadio | 6 posts
| Shooters Facebook (Login not required)
Notice the caption on the first picture... Fall Out Boy?
They are the ones behind this! Ban all of their music! (please?)
| | 0 @ 17-04-2007 06:11 settosig | 4 posts
| I believe there are a lot of polices that have been mentioned before but none of them will stand up to the second amendment: having the right to keep and bear arms! I believe that by relinquishing that amendment we can move forward on applying a gun law! (Which would never happen?)
I also believe if you own a gun you should have to report to authorities and have it checked an re-licensed every couple of months I think there should be a longer waiting period in obtain a fire arm in stead of the federal three-day waiting period !
Blaming music is just plain stupid and retarded !
We as people can’t always look toward music as the blame to all of our pain and sorrow
Instead look toward as a release of public venting and nourishment in the time of need. Without it we wouldn’t have a human language to share! And voice our opinion.
Music is a voice which our opinion is shared (think about it!)
| | 0 @ 17-04-2007 11:23 Pandora |
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| meh. Once again it's some lost cause to care? I'm just going to step back away from this. Lou, you are one to talk about complaining about things you do nothing to change.
I have been a youth counselor for years at a camp that I attended when I was a kid. Alot of really insane kids go there and find a completely new way of life... I'm one of the people that can reach out to them because I've been there.
Also here and everywhere else, I'm the first one to step on the toes of most of the kids I notice so they get all riled up and ready to spill everything going on in their lives, which I have done with a few of you. And since I've known people in real life, online, in passing, I have always helped, always listened... been there to pick up kids at parties when they got in over their heads... been there to talk or just to listen. I've taken sociology/psychology classes in route to hopefully be some sort of school counselor.
So to assume that I have complained and done nothing, is foolish. No amount of laws or regulations will help this matter.... it's not about having classes or officers.. it's about people caring about other people. No government official can make that change... which is why I post here, hoping that the few that read it.. will understand how critical that change is. And I will not just 'accept' it as life. Sure there will always be violence... but I think it should be our want, our need to prevent anything we can.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 16:27 LDUB19 | 1,287 posts
| OMG!!!!! sorry for the shout but i pretty much did shout when i read this. ive been to VT. one of my cousins graduated from there a few years ago and i was considering goin there. thats horrible. ive been all over that campus.. i cant even imagine sumfin like that happening there. i wanna cry cuz of it. ive been havin a crappy day and this made it worse.  | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 16:33 Pandora |
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| "If the guns are harder to get a hold of, fewer people will do it," said Michael Dent, a 65-year-old construction worker in London. "You can't walk up to a supermarket or shop and buy a gun like in the States."
that's something I read in an article on fox news... =\ people think you can just go to the market and buy a gun here.. and you can't.
But I don't think they should let people collect guns like this guy did.
rockon
tabitha | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 16:42 Shad0wStalker | 42 posts
| i checkd out the guys facebook and .. wow .. impressive collection of guns. US grants people the potential to possess that many arms? quite amazing .. its probably time the government stopped going paranoid over non-white skins and checked their own nation, for a change .. eh? | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 17:44 JuiceBoxJoe | 1,705 posts
| Its a sad thing.
Freedom to bear arms to the point of what?
The blame falls squarely on the parents in this case, at least in my opinion.
You can blame the music world, the gaming industry, you can blame the television, blame movies.
But we all see the same movies, for the most part.
We dont run into a school with a gun and start shooting.
Why?
Because we had something called parents that taught us the difference between reality and make believe.
This is all assuming that the kid had no mental issues.
RIP Dan | | 0 @ 17-04-2007 17:53 Pandora |
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| reports of him already said he was a loner, he wouldn't talk to people, he'd set fire to one of the dorm rooms, and stalked multiple women...
"the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression."
ugh. like I said. This kid had a hefty arsenal and a personality like this... =\
rockon
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