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@ 03-05-2006 15:55 lilro | 315 posts
| do u think that america is just looking for reasons to start war on iran and what justifies it having nuclear weapons and other countries not having?  |
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 0  @ 15-05-2006 11:05 Plantagenet | 
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| Also, emtional appeals do nothing for me. But I have to say the pictures were a nice touch. They remind everyone of what will come if you attack the U.S. In fact, we need more pictures, so keep em' coming!!!!
That really makes me fysically sick....
It just prooves why so many hate USA, it's because of ppl like you, with no morality, no humanity, all you have is some fake nationalistic feeling for a fake country
it's because of ppl like you this world is bombed to pieces, and that's why I'll never give up my own non-violent battle against ppl like you, I want my world back...
and, that belgian example was just so that you won't say I can't know a thing about it, and no, USA doesn't have the right to boycott, and it's not in buying products, a harbour doesn't sell, I thought you'd know that...
and if USA does things like that towards so called "alies", then what they do against their ennemies is unworthy of calling it human...
I think you really should open your eyes, get a brain and see what your egocentric country is doing to all of us | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 11:06 Plantagenet |
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| Animals have more compassion for each other than you have for other humans.
indeed, well said | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 14:59 GunForHire | 185 posts
| What a bunch of forking crybabies. "I hate America. America is so corrupt. America is doing everything wrong and I have all the answers." SHOOT ME!!! None of you know all the facts about why America does what it does, so stop formulating such strong opinions when you don't exactly know why. We citizens of the U.S. don't know either, so please don't judge us, we just vote here, we don't make the decisions.
edit; please don't swear | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 15:22 Pop_killer | 
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| Dam I need to keep up with these things... anyway....
I dont think I life of an american was or is worth more than the life of someone Japanese, but okay I'll rephrase what I said.
I've seen all the shocking pictures and things. I've seen the documentaries. I've heard people describe hearing their kids being burned alive cause they were buried under rubble and their parents couldnt shift it, I've heard someone describing how someone died from a needle injection because the radiation sickness stopped his blood from clotting properly. I KNOW it was horrible. Okay. Lets asume the death toll was 200,000, although I dont think it was quite as high as that, but yeah.
If America hadnt dropped the bombs, they would've had to drag the war out, possibly for a year or more, loosing hundreds of thousands of men. Okay. So everyone's been saying that I rate Amreican lives above Japanese ones. Okay.
Now tell me how the hell it works out that not a single Japanese citizen dies in a war that is dragged out over a year costing hundreds of thousands of American lives? You just tell me that.
You think the bombs were dropped to save american lives and nothing else? If hundreds of thousands of americans die in a war, than hundreds of thousands on the other side will die in the war. Probably more, since it was going to be fought on Japanese soil. Far more than 200,000 Japanese wouldve been killed. The death toll for the whole of world war 2 was about 20 MILLION I think, although that might've just been Russia! 200,000 is 1% of that. Do you really think that less people would be killed in a dragged out war than in the two bombs? And Japan was a stubborn country at the time. Thats why they rufused to surrender before the first bomb. Thats why they rufused to surrender after the first bomb. If the war had gone on, they would've fought down to the last man. It would've been horrible.
Thats why I think the bombs were justified. If you can think of another alternative than tell me, I cant.
And i'm sorry it took me a while to reply and this is belated, but some idiot decided to swear openly so I couldnt view the page at school today, since it was filtered. | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 16:28 Plantagenet |
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| oh, really, this is getting waaaaaaaaaay to dumb to react anymore
all I can say is, that all you all say tot defend your stupid country is confirming the reason of the hatred against it....think about that
and the issue isn't about Japan, it's about Iran.
The comparrishment with Japan isn't even close to the situation now: Japan was in WWII, there already was a war, and it doesn't matter who started it (clearly you don't really know the position of Japan in this war, otherwise you'd know that with the fall of Germany, Japan would have had to surrender as well a few months later, the nukes weren't even nessicary anymore)
Iran isn't at war with the US now, and they didn't do anything to imply that US has to defend itself against them. All there was, were a few treaths against US AND Europe as well, but the difference between those two, is that the one will react head over heals and by doing so, makes a lot more ennemies.
So, tell me, does the iranian ppl deserve to be treathened by US? If the Us thinks Iran should, then why should they? | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 16:52 Pop_killer |
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Note: I did say about 3 times that I was a bit late
| | 0 @ 15-05-2006 17:40 Plantagenet |
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it wasn't only pointed towards you
| | 0 @ 15-05-2006 19:48 utexas | 2 posts
| Plantagenet - you said "USA started to boycott our Antwerp harbour, the most important source of our economy... " If a harbour has nothing to do with the economy, than what did you mean by this? And the US has the right to boycott whatever they damn well please.
Still, no one has given an example as to how America initiated force against the fundamentalist muslims. Shadowleni - your argument was incredibly retarded. America fought in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait. That is in no way an act of agression towards muslims.
drs669 is right about the Japanese government. They were the ones responsible for the deaths of their citizens. Also, the debate about Japan is completely relevant to this discussion. Both debates center around America defending herself. So if we decide to take out Iran, our mentality should be the same one we had when fighting Japan. And if people can't see that America is under attack by Iran, I don't know what to say. They harbour terrorists, fund suicide bombers and the insurgency against the US in Iraq, and are actively pursing nuclear weapons after threatening the entire wester world (not just the US). Wake up people. | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 19:56 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| And if people can't see that America is under attack by Iran, I don't know what to say. They harbour terrorists, fund suicide bombers and the insurgency against the US in Iraq, and are actively pursing nuclear weapons after threatening the entire wester world (not just the US).
Saudi Arabia does the exact same. Should we just go ahead and carpet bomb the entire Fertile Crescent? I mean, America's foreign policy has always been based around a hatred for non-whites. Why not just get it over with and exterminate all those little brown people? They obviously mean nothing. | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 20:07 shadowleni | 18 posts
| In the Gulf War the US was "liberating" Kuwait, however, we were fighting against the Iraqis unwarrently. We just went into Kuwait and said, "Hey Iraqis, we don't want you in here, get the hell out." I would say that's agression against Iraqis, and consequently Muslims, wouldn't you? | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 20:37 utexas | 2 posts
| I don't know that we have proof of Saudi Arabia funding terrorists. If we do, than you're right, the situation is the same - and therefore to be consistent, my position would be the same. Unless America wants another 9/11, or something much worse, we cannot let people actively plot to destroy us.
Concerning the Gulf War, Iraq invaded a sovereign country, Kuwait. America, joined by the rest of the world with the UN, went to liberate that country. What do you mean we weren't warranted? | | 0 @ 15-05-2006 20:49 shadowleni | 18 posts
| I do know that Kuwait asked for our assistance, and the starting of the war was not unjustified. However, we did turn our backs on Iraq, whom we had been supporting all through the eighties. Also, we used this opertunity to solidify our power base in the Middle East. Perhaps unwarrented wasn't the best word to use in that instance. My point, however, is that turning against the Iraqis so suddenly did seem like an act of agression from an objective point of view, aiding Kuwait or not. | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 11:27 Plantagenet |
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| Plantagenet - you said "USA started to boycott our Antwerp harbour, the most important source of our economy... " If a harbour has nothing to do with the economy, than what did you mean by this? And the US has the right to boycott whatever they damn well please.
Where the hell did I say a harbour doesn't have to do with economy? I said you don't buy stuff there! perhaps you should look in the dictonary or something...
and: indeed USA can boycott anymone they like, but no one else can...you said it there, now you perhaps might understand how frustrating that is??? USA SHOULDN'T have the right, that's the f*cking point!!!!!!  | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 11:33 Plantagenet |
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| Still, no one has given an example as to how America initiated force against the fundamentalist muslims.
oh, so, now you think "muslim fundamentalist" are one coherent grouping you can seperatly target??? So, where lies Muslimstan?
It's not their power against fundamentalist only, the point is, their force against anyone they don't like, they want something from they can't get, those who don't say yes towards them straight away. That's why the "fundamentalistic muslims" hate USA. It's much more global then you seem to think, it's not a case of them against us.
BTW, do you have any idea how may sorts of muslim fundamentalism there is? And how many different groupings who have nothing to do with each other???
Just to point out to you: Al-Quajda are sunni's, Iran is sji'its, which you can compare to protestants and catholics in the christian world: the one has few to do with the other when it comes to groupings.
perhaps you should inform yourself better before spreading you ill-based opinion, you never know you might actually learn the truth about the world... | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 14:58 GunForHire | 185 posts
| And I suppose you know the truth about this world Plantagenet?
Whatever you think you know is just another version of people thinkging that they are right and everyone else is wrong. You act like utexas is so closed minded and ignorant, but you are doing the exact same thing, but with another point of view.
My point? Learn to listen to people instead of simply dismissing them as being wrong and closed-minded so that you can make yourself feel "right" all the time. | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 15:00 mastermaestro | 411 posts
| Well Ive never heard so much shit in my life! America is trying to protect the world from Iraq because Iraq are trying to go to war. Such shit! Seriously do YOU think America is looking for reasons to go to war with Iraq??? That comment really pisses me off! | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 15:02 mastermaestro | 411 posts
| Oh shit!!! Sorry, I thought it said Iraq not Iran! Really really sorry.  | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 15:17 poisonbrain | 
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We citizens of the U.S. don't know either, so please don't judge us, we just vote here, we don't make the decisions.
You do realize that you, through the above mentioned votes, are the only ones in the world that can actually affect your leaders without armed threats?
Also, emtional appeals do nothing for me. But I have to say the pictures were a nice touch. They remind everyone of what will come if you attack the U.S. In fact, we need more pictures, so keep em' coming!!!!
I think I'm about to throw up. I assume you've heard of the term sociopath? | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 18:31 Plantagenet |
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| And I suppose you know the truth about this world Plantagenet?
Whatever you think you know is just another version of people thinkging that they are right and everyone else is wrong. You act like utexas is so closed minded and ignorant, but you are doing the exact same thing, but with another point of view.
My point? Learn to listen to people instead of simply dismissing them as being wrong and closed-minded so that you can make yourself feel "right" all the time.
So, he can just say the iranian ppl deserve to die, but I'm the one who's close minded? At least I know the political situation of countries in conflict, most of the ppl here claiming Iran is a threat obviously don't
...now, is that a fact of an opinion, I wonder... | | 0 @ 16-05-2006 18:34 Plantagenet |
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America is trying to protect the world from Iraq because Iraq are trying to go to war. Such shit! Seriously do YOU think America is looking for reasons to go to war with Iraq??? That comment really pisses me off!
...eeeuuhm, now I'm counfused: IraQ is not the same country as IraN you know, it's quite the opposite and always has been....
and, oh, yeah, USA wasn't the one trying to find unexisting nukes in Iraq just to have a "reason" to bomb them! as far as I know, USA was never attacked by Iraq
or is this also just a close-minded opinion? | | 0 @ 06-06-2006 15:59 GunForHire | 185 posts
| So, he can just say the iranian ppl deserve to die, but I'm the one who's close minded? At least I know the political situation of countries in conflict, most of the ppl here claiming Iran is a threat obviously don't
I didn't say he was right, I said he's not wrong simply because you think so. I'm not trying to discuss current events here, I'm trying to tell you that your mind isn't "above" anyone elses mind in any way. Nor is mine, so don't think I am claiming that it is. He knows only what he has learned. He has learned only what his life experience has allowed him to learn. Just like you. You are exactly the same as he is in that aspect, so do not judge him, and don't dismiss him as wrong just because of what you think. Try to look at things from a universal point of view, instead of only a single human's point of view. | | 0 @ 07-06-2006 12:42 Plantagenet |
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| He knows only what he has learned. He has learned only what his life experience has allowed him to learn. Just like you.
BUt I'm trying to teach him more about the issue, and he refuses to listen, so, well, is that my fault?
You are exactly the same as he is in that aspect, so do not judge him, and don't dismiss him as wrong just because of what you think.
1. I don't judge ppl, certainly not on what they say on a forum.
2. My knowledge has a system. It's not just about what I think, it's about what I know. My knowledge is holy to me and it's been built up by reading, absorbing and memorising everything I can, about issues that intrest me and concern me. Ever since I was a child, I wanted to know what is going on in the world I'm a part of, why are thing as they are and how do things happen (conflicts, for eg.) I ALWAYS have had the system of hearing both sides of a story, only that way you can have as much info as you can get.
My knowledge is based on so many things, and my opinion is based on my knowledge.
I'm not claiming to be smarter than anyone here, I simply say I know how to use my knowledge as objectively as possible.
Some ppl can't use their knowledge objectively and their opinions are based on wrong information, sometimes even lies.
I feel it's my duty as a human being in this world to share the things I know, so that ppl might change their opinion if they want to, if they get the right information.
Try to look at things from a universal point of view, instead of only a single human's point of view.
What I said above, explains how this comment is made without knowing me, my situation, and my way of looking at knowledge, so I wonder who needs to be lectured here?... | | 0 @ 07-06-2006 14:33 missLP | 818 posts
| hey guys, im an iranian. u have all ur own ideas and i respect them.
u should know that i dont agree with our presidens way of talking at all, but somehow he maybe true. i myself believe that my country isnt going to do sth wrong with its power. and im sure that we r not going to make nuclear weapons.
the fact is, i think, that america is doing all things against iran just bicaz they cant see other countrys progress. u know?
just bicaz Mr bush is trying to convince all the ppl all around the world that we r dangerous for other ppl. but we r not ur enemies! we r just trying to show peace...just this...i donno what to say more | | 0 @ 11-06-2006 13:46 Rootan | 7 posts
| Uhm.
I saw some people saying America is under attack by Iran here....
But let's think about it, Iran is not capable of making nukes at least in 5 years. And I don't think they have enough money to get uranium and other stuff to make one. You must know how great the American Intelligence is (the best in the world) and with the satellites keeping eyes on all over the world, they would know if Iran was making one. They can censor the smoke that is produced when making one so...
Plus, would any countries help Iran make one? Well, Pakistan maybe, and some other countries too. But not any of those advanced (I know the word 'advanced' isn't appropriate.. excuse me) countries.
Assume that Iran will attack someone.. it will not be America. You know how many nukes the US has?? 96% of the nukes in the world!!
And would Iran attack the US with nukes and be able to damage America? NO.
All they will be going to do is destroy their own country.
So I do not think Iran will attack US.
However, Israel suspects that Iran might attack them. And yeah, the possiblity is higher. With long history behind it... And I think Israel is the one who's pushing US to stop Iran..
Iran wants to be the hegemon in the Middle East (I think that's one of the reasons Iran is trying to enrich uranium despite all the critics:another reason is.. Oil=money for Iranians and want to save oil for exports so they need alternative), and Israel don't want that...
And we wonder, then why US is being bossy?
I do not think it's only because they want sso-called "peace", but as you know... err.. But I better keep quiet and better not say such thing in a public place like here.
Anyways I just wanted to point out that the possiblity for Iran to attack the US is not high at all.
And who said that Iran IS actually making nukes? Any eveidence? (Don't tell me the IAEA said that  ) | | 0 @ 11-06-2006 16:51 Plantagenet |
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| ^ I totaly agree with all that!!! |
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