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Proving "God" Doesn't Exist!
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@ 15-11-2005 17:27 GothicAtheist | 16 posts
| Here's my arguement that "god cannot exist:
Nothing is perfect
Nothing perfect exists
Therefore "god" cannot exist |
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 0  @ 17-01-2008 14:59 Dagor | 
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| true .. until your belief clashes with facts ... either you live with that in a schizophrenic way or you adapt
(beheading of people who state facts that you don't like is no longer an option) | | 0 @ 17-01-2008 15:00 zjenn4 | 
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aw, it's not? Well I guess I will have to come up with another plan then.
| | 0 @ 17-01-2008 15:02 Juliet86 | 
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| Are you sure? *beheads Daniel just a little bit*
I don't mean like the bible, cause I think that does clash with facts, and even contradicts itself. But in a more general way, not believing according to a book, I don't think beliefs clash with facts very often. Or do they? | | 0 @ 17-01-2008 15:07 Dagor |
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| You're absolutely right, Lisa .. there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to believe in something that still complies with facts. | | 0 @ 17-01-2008 15:13 JDolla | 
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| if you take every word in the bible literally, id does clash with facts and it contradicts itself. dont do that. everything written thousands of years ago is up for interpretation. people had a hard time understanding that durring the "beheading times" and some people still want to take it as it was written. i just cant do that, since there are words in the king james bible (the one i read) that have no greek or hebrew translations. whats important is the overall message, and i like that message. | | 0 @ 17-01-2008 17:02 glamour_girl99 | 103 posts
| the way i look at it is, we are never going to know the truth, each person with a different religious belief believes they are right, its always going to be that way | | 0 @ 19-03-2008 14:31 DaSynth | 218 posts
| Religion guided me until a very wise man told me that God does not exist as a being but a force; the force that through which the Universe was created. He also made me realise that reasons speak louder than actions, and that you should act out of morality and actually think about what you're doing instead of refraining from an action just because some guy in the sky said so or out of the fear of going to jail. A few years after this epiphany, I questioned why God should be taking care of me when I'm such a tiny part of the Universe. A wise woman told me that I should be cared for because this God made me. What we do in life really does echo in eternity, and anything that we do or anything that happens to us has some kind of influence on everything around us which "ripples out" endlessly.
Religion should only be view as something to keep us "good," if you will, until we grow out of the fear of punishment and start acting on our hearts. Let's not worry about who's right about whose God made the World. The Universe is made, that's done. If you don't have a Ph.D in Astrophysics, just drop it! | | -1 @ 20-03-2008 01:15 Mr_Pie_Guy_69 | 2,044 posts
| Screw "god"
Screw the bible
Screw the church
Screw religion
i dont give a rats hairy little ass anymore about religion
peace | | 0 @ 20-03-2008 06:01 vandy | 
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| Hmm...I think people have the wrong idea of what religion is. I think the term has been used to describe legalism, and that's not what religion should be. I wrote this recently:
Disclaimer: This blog is written purely from my own opinion.
I'm Catholic and sometimes I think that's contraversial.
I've been told some interesting things over the years: that I worship Mary, that I worship the Pope, that I'm oppressed and have not made the choice to freely choose my religion. Whatever. I've heard those so many times over the years that sometimes it's hard not to laugh when I hear them. (Just for the record, none of the above are true. If you want to talk about it, feel free to send me a message or invite me to coffee.)
One thing that bothers me though, is this statement, which has come from a Protestant brother or sister a time or two:
"You have a religion. I have a relationship."
This bothers me for a few reasons.
For one thing, I DO have a relationship with God, and I don't quite understand why anyone thinks that they are qualified to tell me who I have a relationship with. I would like to think that in my life there are clear signs that I am connected to a higher power. There are many things that other people do that I do not, and sometimes I fear that they think that these things are not tempting for me. This could not be further from the truth. God has given me the strength to not do these things once; I have a feeling that if I did them once I would want to keep doing them because they would probably be fun. And enjoyable. I would also like to think that the good that I do is because of God's influence in my life, and if I do not have a relationship with Him, I have stripped Him of the power to influence me, for the most part. Most importantly, though, my relationship with God not only influences the things I do and the choices I make, my relationship with Him affects who I am at the most basic level, and it redeems me as a person.
For another thing, while I understand why the concept of "religion" has recieved a bad rap, I think it's an unfortunate thing that it has. I think a lot of people see "religion" as a disconnected set of rules to follow to get to heaven, and THAT is a dangerous belief, for sure. But that's not what religion is. Let's look at the root of the word. If I'm not mistaken, "religion" comes from the latin word "religare" which roughly means "to unite." (This is already sounding quite similar to that "relationship with God" mentioned in the previous paragraph.) To be united does not only mean to be united with God, but to be united in faith with other believers. And just to warn people: this means being united in faith with other HUMAN BEINGS who have faults and failings. They are going to annoy you. You are going to most heartily dislike some of them, but that does not negate the fact that God created us to be a communion of people. Our journey of prayer is not meant to be a solitary one. God gives us the graces to lead one another to him, and we are missing out on a big part of being Christian if we neglect to recognize the need for community.
Finally, I hate that "either/or" dichotomy. If a relationship and a religion are what I just talked about above, then they are in no way mutually exclusive.
So if you are a Christian with a relationship with God, and you have felt turned off by the concept of "religion," I challenge you to think about how you define religion. And if society has led you to believe that it is an evil thing, I challenge you to re-claim religion for yourself.
See you in Heaven. | | 0 @ 09-04-2008 06:01 mallibooti | 112 posts
| okay so whats happens when we die what you think that your gonna be reused and like become a tree or something in the words of dane cook this is what i hope happens i hope some angry tree cutter comes and your going about your tree ways and wham wham wham he cuts you down and draggs you through the mud and puts you through the tree cutter thing and then they make you paper and print the bible on you!!!!!!!!!!! lol hahahaha god does exist and what you say is not proof I believe there is a god they say that we came from little atoms or whatever dust!!! they say anyways who created that dust it all gos down to someone something created it someone or something the creater of all things makes sense which would be god!!!!! either way something created something there is a creater involved | | 0 @ 09-04-2008 12:38 Dagor |
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| For one thing, I DO have a relationship with God
Megan, with all respect ... but that is just as much as saying that you have a relationship with your fave blanket, but on an adult level perhaps. Just as your blanket gave you comfort as a child, 'god' gives that to you now. That is NOT having a relationship, that comes nowhere near to having a relationship. I am sorry, but I am afraid you are deluding yourself ... | | 0 @ 09-04-2008 21:43 JDolla |
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| is it a relationship if you have conversations with someone?
because thats the relationship that i have with god. i'm not answered by words, but by actions, signs, and other such things. | | 0 @ 09-04-2008 22:53 Dagor |
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| I don't mean this in a disrespectful way .. you can have relationships with a lot of things, even with plants (I am serious) .. but that is only very basic. A full relationship involves a lot more. | | 0 @ 09-04-2008 22:54 JDolla |
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| what would it involve that i can't have with god? | | 0 @ 10-04-2008 00:48 Dagor |
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| well, for instance: god never gets sick, god never gets into trouble ... a real life partner does, and you have to find solutions not only for yourself, but for your partner too .. you might find with time that a partner might not be perfect, you will have to learn to live with that and accept that .. a partner might do things that you find annoying .. again, you will have to deal with that together .. a partner might make serious mistakes in life, even with the consequence of hurting you .. you might need to find ways to forget .. sometimes you will have to worry about your partner .. in a real relationship you might need to lower your expectations with time .. and you will do that because you really love someone and care for someone. It will make your relationship strong. If you're ready to take all the negative sides of a relationship as well and still have enough love and the will to make it work, then you might be ready for a full relationship
talking about a relationship concerning god is just a romantic projection. That has nothing to do with life .. it's a blanket-ersatz | | 0 @ 10-04-2008 00:57 Dagor |
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| this reminds me too much of children talking about all their problems to their cat or other favourite pet .. they too think that the cat is listening and understanding them and that gives them comfort .. they use their cat to project themselves onto something .. but in reality they deal with their problems themselves... the answer is within themselves and not within the cat. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 13:28 vandy |
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| I honestly feel like that is kind of disrespectful. A lot of non-Christians that I know get all freaked out when us Christians state our beliefs as facts, and yet that is what you basically just did there; you stated your lack of belief in my God as a fact. But it's really just your belief.
Anyway, I guess I get where you're coming from, I just think there's kind of a double standard out there. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 13:38 Dagor |
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| I don't know if you're talking to me .. if you were: I was just pointing out that you shouldn't use the word 'relationship' lightheartedly for something that has a much deeper meaning. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 14:51 zjenn4 |
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| I see what you are saying Daniel, and it makes sense. But, that is only if you don't view God as really real. To me, God is real, so real, that He is more than just some being that is up in some other realm. To me, He is here, He is in everything, and I see Him in everything. For me, He is just as real as you or me. So my relationship with God is more than just talking to something that isn't there. I get responses, I see results. And no, it's not like talking to myself, I don't answer me, He does. And as far as saying that you have to accept the negatives with the positives, God does that with us. We mess up, and do annoying things all the time, and yet he still sticks with us. God is the perfect one, and we are the imperfect ones. God doesn't make mistakes, we do. What I am trying to say is, I have a relationship with God, and it is real to me.
Disclaimer:
I am not trying to start something. These reflect my beliefs, and how I feel about God. I don't expect non-believers to fully understand or agree with me. And I didn't insult or force anything on anyone. So before someone reads my comment and PMs me saying that I am an idiot who talks to the air, I don't wanna hear it. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 18:55 WH1 | 290 posts
| Me And God by JoshTurner
God and WH1 & LudMan &
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES
Hallelujah!
WOOHOO Jesus! | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 19:10 indiechick_ | 
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| i have to agree with daniel on this one. believing is one thing, but to call it a relationship... well, i suppose that can't be the best word to describe it. | | +1 @ 11-04-2008 20:16 Joeyy | 
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| Tra la la. I believe that what it comes down to is this:
To the people who feel they have a relationship with God, it's real. To those who think that God doesn't exist or that no one can have a relationship with Him, obviously relationships with God don't exist and aren't real. Therefore, as it's down to individual beliefs, everyone is right. Or, as that's a hard concept to make sense of, there is no right and wrong. Our problem is that we each believe we're the one who's correct; that our individual beliefs are the only truth - whether they be that God and so on exist or that religion/a belief in God is bull - and so we think everyone who doesn't believe what we do is wrong. If we could accept this it'd be fine but we create such pointless debates. - Something is true if you believe it to be true, because it is true to you. Even if it sounds completely insane to everyone else, (pink elephant ftw), if you really believe it then it can't be denied that it's true in one sense - for you and for whoever believes.
This argument will never be resolved because we have no sure way of knowing which side is right but more importantly we will always think "I believe this; this is true (so they're all wrong)". Not "This is true to me, that's true to them" and have the ability to leave it there. Luckily most people can be civil about it but as I said, debates like this will just go on and on because being tolerant doesn't mean we're actually accepting and that's where we go wrong.
I don't mind listening to someone of another religion, someone of the same religion as me (probably with varying beliefs) or someone without religion, or a person who doesn't have a set religion/know exactly what they believe - I'll hear their views if they can actually state them in a conversation (rather than flat out "Screw religion" or ramblings and on the other extreme side, for example, just things like "WOOHOO Jesus"), and I might comment sometimes or have a conversation if it is free from debate. Yes, I'll say what I believe too and I'll bring something up if it seems completely illogical but I'm not going to go over 'n' over which of us is right and how something can not make sense when it clearly makes sense to the other person/people.
What does irritate me is when people blame religion for wars, but mainly when they insist God can't exist based on the state of this world. If you think about anything bad you feel you've done in your life, whose fault was it? Humans don't accept responsibility for their actions, they don't think about the consequences or they just plain don't care enough, or maybe they do but only until it's too late. Many people try and place blame on anyone but themselves. I've actually found that some people who do blame themselves haven't done much to be forgiven for; they've just been made to feel this way by people who have also done wrong and don't want to take any blame. And has a monster-sized Bible picked up a gun or a bomb and declared war? : It's not the religion, past 'religious wars' have been - and current ones are - because of the people. We take things waaay too far and we will never learn, not until we accept that we can't change each others' beliefs. A conversation discussing beliefs with someone is one thing, a thirty page something thread going round and round is another. There won't be an end. And it's not just religion, it's anything. There's always going to be wars; always something to fight about. That's the tragedy of our world. We've done this to ourselves and we'll continue to do so.
But truth is only what you believe.
Relating to that, I've always loved these lyrics:
"There's no simple explanation for anything important any of us do. And yeah the human tragedy consists in the necessity of living with the consequences."
And I love how a crazy 'Hell God' from the show 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' sums it all up. (I know I'm sad.) :
"People! How do they function here like this in the world with all this bile running through them? Every day it's whoo-oo! You have no control. They're not even animals, they're just these meatbaggy slaves to, to hormones and pheromones and their, and their feelings. Hate 'em!"
"I mean really. Is this what the poets go on about, this? Call me crazy, but as hard-core drugs go, human emotion is just useless! People are puppets! Everyone getting jerked around by what they're feelin'."
"Funny. 'Cause I look around at this world you're so eager to be a part of... and all I see is six billion lunatics looking for the fastest ride out. Who's not crazy? Look around. Everyone's drinking, smoking, shooting up... shooting each other, or just plain screwing their brains out 'cause they don't want 'em anymore. I'm crazy? Honey, I'm the original one-eyed chicklet in the kingdom of the blind. 'Cause at least I admit the world makes me nuts."
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Ze end. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 20:23 Juliet86 |
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And I love how a crazy 'Hell God' from the show 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' sums it all up. (I know I'm sad.)
Sad? You're my hero. (not just for the buffy quote but for a lot of things you just said)
| | 0 @ 11-04-2008 22:43 indiechick_ |
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| It's not the religion, past 'religious wars' have been - and current ones are - because of the people. We take things waaay too far and we will never learn, not until we accept that we can't change each others' beliefs.
you know what i always say? if everyone kept their religion to themselves, this world would be a better place to live. | | 0 @ 11-04-2008 23:20 Joeyy |
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| Like I said, there will always be something to fight about. I think about all of the other issues 'n' problems we have and I just don't think it would be a better place. Again, it's humans - we're the ones who have a problem with others' beliefs (including not believing here) and can cause trouble because of this. If we lived in a world with better people it wouldn't matter. You shouldn't have to hide what you believe, a lot of people feel that's part of who they are and we definitely shouldn't have to hide that. Some are still homophobic, right? But you don't hide who you are for them or to avoid conflict. No one should have to do that. I have different religious beliefs to the people I love most but we don't care or bring it up because why should we? People are going to believe whatever they feel is right anyway so we shouldn't even bother debating or getting p*ssed off or telling each other it's ridiculous, nothing is going to change. Why does it matter to one person what another believes? Religious people should know it's not up to them to judge according to whatever belief they have and the non-religious shouldn't give a damn if they think it's crap anyway. We're creating our own problems; we should acknowledge this because in the end, no matter who we place the blame on - if we just refuse to look at messes we get into and can't think "I/we did this" - we still have to deal with the consequences. Whatever it's about, as there is so much more than this. |
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