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@ 29-05-2003 02:13 vandy | 
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| When this post was first created, a girl named Baileysmummy was making tons of threads entitled "what do you think of Irish people?" or "what do you think of Italians" etc...so I (vandy) decided to create something a bit contraversial...a "what do you think of Catholics?" discussion topic. Well, it evolved into this, a huge discussion of Catholicism, so Ally changed the title to fit it when she was the lone mod in this category. I decided to add in this explanation, so that no one thought that I thought that Catholicism was a joke or a fad.
why not? it seems to be the fad lately. |
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 0  @ 05-05-2006 17:20 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| Don't get me wrong. It's not just Catholics I pity. I feel bad for members of any faith. The level of self-delusion can be astounding.
It's a well-known fact that religion was created as a means of explaining the unknown, and evolved into a method of controlling people to keep others in power. Why would anyone keep buying into something that lets them be controlled? Especially when the faith is based around a big white guy in the sky who's obsessed with your sex life? | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 17:25 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| And please, try to understand. I know I have to sound incredibly bitter, but it's not about that. I understand the temptation of joining a religion, but I don't see why someone would follow that, especially with all the people out there giving Christianity a really bad name.
For example, the "God Hates Fags" guy. Christianity is about accepting your fellow man and his faults, yes? Not damning him for whatever imperfections he may have?
I respect most of the tenets of the Christian faith. It teaches that you should love both your friend and your enemy, and generally be kind to your fellow man. That's good stuff. I'm surprised more Christians don't support Socialism; the two can easily go hand-in-hand.
P.S. If what I say bugs you? Then forgive me. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 18:00 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| Almightyshmun:
First of all, like you talk all the time about christians, and this thread I think its about catholics.(correct me if I’m wrong Vandy) And catholics and christians are different. I don’t know exactly what we are different in, but we are not the same thing. Please keep that in mind 
Ok, here we go
It's a well-known fact that religion was created as a means of explaining the unknown, and evolved into a method of controlling people to keep others in power.
Ok ok Mr. Lets put things clear, veeery clear. The catholic religion does not control their followers/believers!!!! I mean, WhereTheHek did you take that from?? If there is one thing we catholics are is free. Very free. Nobody controlls you! People who think that are wrong. Besides, if we were controlled, it would be under whom’s power? Come on! Its an universal faith, it can’t control people of all the world!
And then
Why would anyone keep buying into something that lets them be controlled? Especially when the faith is based around a big white guy in the sky who's obsessed with your sex life?
WHAT THE FAAAAAAACK???? God isn’t obsessed with your sex life, He tells you what’s better for you because He loves you and wants you to be happy. Now, your life obviously involves your sex life. As I said before, you are absolutely free, so you can either CHOOSE to follow what God has told you to or not. And in your choice making, you must keep in mind that God’s option is the best for you and the one which will make you happier, because he loves you and wants you to live your life happily and loving each other.
But thats we catholics. Like, questioning us makes us stronger. Really, tell me, do you think that we are stupid enough to believe in something that isn’t good for us and we know its the best way of living our lives???
I’m totally convinced that living my life in a catholic way is the best way of living it 
| | 0 @ 05-05-2006 18:59 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| Christians and Catholics can be lumped together with little consequence. The differences between the faiths are trivial compared to the similarities.
Ok ok Mr. Lets put things clear, veeery clear. The catholic religion does not control their followers/believers!!!! I mean, WhereTheHek did you take that from?? If there is one thing we catholics are is free. Very free. Nobody controlls you! People who think that are wrong. Besides, if we were controlled, it would be under whom’s power? Come on! Its an universal faith, it can’t control people of all the world!
The Catholic Church was officially created by the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great in 325 at the Council of Nicea. Christianity was extremely divided at the time, with the primary schools of thought being what would become Catholicism and Arianism. The church's most populous members were slaves, and the faith only made their lives worse by promising salvation and, obviously, failing to deliver.
The Church has always controlled its members. The Crusades come to mind very quickly(just throw in a little human suffering, too). The Vatican was a center of power in the world for, oh...what, 1,000 years? Just about. And yeah, Catholics are free. Free to be excommunicated if they don't follow the Church's arbitrary laws, and free to be ostricised from the Catholic community for pointing out any flaws in the faith.
WHAT THE FAAAAAAACK???? God isn’t obsessed with your sex life, He tells you what’s better for you because He loves you and wants you to be happy. Now, your life obviously involves your sex life. As I said before, you are absolutely free, so you can either CHOOSE to follow what God has told you to or not.
The Catholic Church focuses more on sexual repression than any other faith. Seriously, why would God care if you touch yourself at night? That's just stupid. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 22:42 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| NO, IT ISN'T STUPID AT ALL!!!!!!!!!! | | 0 @ 06-05-2006 03:41 dag_102 | 254 posts
| Sex its a very delicate matter , specially in our times when everything has to be pleasure... see those bold letters , well remember that , because you are arguing (in some post) that christianity forces us to suffer or to feel victimized , that's terrible right? well the exact oppositte is happening nowadays , mankind thinks everything has to be pleasure or joice or fun whatever , and justifiyng that by saying "its the natural way to be" , this is also terribly wrong and you my man , seem to think that because of a little necessary restrictions , our faith is wrong.. Its all about the balance and see modern day society , its all about luxuries and hedonism (of course , those who can afford it) and that's very very wrong , you think you can freely f*k around , jack off everyday , get pregnat ppl and just abort just because thats your "human nature" well , that might be as seeing we all get sexual urges or tendencies et cetera but for all of this to be good we need control, templation and courage to say no to those extreme unjustified and if you might say , sinful ways , so those little rules in church are just for guidance about your own behaviour , guidance you might or might not follow , true if you choose not to follow well you are "doomed" but if you feel like your urges are that strong you might as well throw away all your belief and go f*k around .
Don't pity us , we're all in here on our own, we're not scientologists and we can freely just stop going (but I won't)
As I said , to believe in something bigger is really a relief , to count on the divine and sacred to help you out when you don't have the strenght to carry on ... if all of this isn't true , well at least it didn't hurt anybody in the process and its a human way to live , being truthful, faithful, kind and honest... that's something even atheist need to work on. | | 0 @ 06-05-2006 04:39 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| Sex its a very delicate matter , specially in our times when everything has to be pleasure... see those bold letters , well remember that , because you are arguing (in some post) that christianity forces us to suffer or to feel victimized , that's terrible right? well the exact oppositte is happening nowadays , mankind thinks everything has to be pleasure or joice or fun whatever , and justifiyng that by saying "its the natural way to be" , this is also terribly wrong
Excuse me? So you're saying that sex isn't a natural part of life? Sex is essential to existence, my friend. Without your parents boffing each other, you wouldn't be here. It wasn't any sort of divine will that made you pop up in your mommy's womb.
and you my man , seem to think that because of a little necessary restrictions , our faith is wrong.
How is sexual repression a necessity?
you think you can freely f*k around , jack off everyday , get pregnat ppl and just abort just because thats your "human nature"
I would have to disagree here. I don't advocate sleeping around. Human beings have a forward-facing vagina, which automatically implies a much more intimate sexual experience. However, just because sex is more serious for humans than animals, that doesn't mean we should treat it with fear and scorn, as the Church seems to.
well , that might be as seeing we all get sexual urges or tendencies et cetera but for all of this to be good we need control, templation and courage to say no to those extreme unjustified and if you might say , sinful ways , so those little rules in church are just for guidance about your own behaviour , guidance you might or might not follow
So, now, what gives someone the right to take a moral high ground if they get married? Marriage is nothing beyond a sheet of paper. It's a contract, stating that you'll be faithful to that person, and even the implication of such is that you can't be faithful without it. Plenty of married men and women cheat on each other.
true if you choose not to follow well you are "doomed" but if you feel like your urges are that strong you might as well throw away all your belief and go f*k around
Sex is a natural human urge. Ask any anthro-, psycho- or sociologist: sexual gratification is part of the human gestalt. It's just another piece of the puzzle that makes us whole. | | 0 @ 06-05-2006 08:37 vandy |
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| Catholics are a type of Christian, much like Levi's are a type of jeans.
About people who are gay-haters and the like, they are not embracing Christian values. I personally follow the Catholic faith for the tenents of the faith, not because I particularly admire all my fellow followers.
And...I do embrace many socialist ideals. As a Catholic. I, also, am surprised that more don't. | | 0 @ 06-05-2006 08:41 NightHobbit | 23,464 posts
| true if you choose not to follow well you are "doomed" but if you feel like your urges are that strong you might as well throw away all your belief and go f*k around
you can have belief and have sex.sex doesn't take away belief. | | 0 @ 06-05-2006 08:43 NightHobbit | 23,464 posts
| God isn’t obsessed with your sex life, He tells you what’s better for you because He loves you and wants you to be happy.
my happiness is freedom to do what i please, not to be constricted by some faith i do not know is real. | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 04:25 dag_102 | 254 posts
| That's my point .
You can't go around doing only what you please , there has to be some ...some restriccions. Sex is as simple as pie , you can have a nice slice , two if you want but if you please to have the whole thing well you might regret it later .
Sex is important , its necessary as well but you need some control over it or else it becomes an addiciton or turns into depravation. I'm not a prude , I just don't see one night stands or orgies as a good thing when practising your sexuallity, but if that's your point of view , doing whatever you want to make you happy , well that's pretty selfish isn't it? I don't say sin , I don't say deemed by faith , besides you can do what you please and I'm sure god won't stop you from doing so, because that's your free will and your call.
I just think you can have a plenty life with values and rules and at the end, to feel like you were worth living, you gave something back, and if there is haven, well, so be it. | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:01 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| So, basically, it's selfish to like having sex on a regular basis with consenting adults?
And people who have orgies don't have values?
What about homosexuals? | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:03 PunkRckr8 | 
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| So, basically, it's selfish to like having sex on a regular basis with consenting adults?
Essentially, that's what's written, sex is meant to only be for he purpose of procreation, but what I love is how in "new age" catholicism they're teaching that once you get married sex is allowed all the time, its cute how you can change the bible how you wish in order to attract more naieve minions. | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:09 nefariouslady_t | 11,509 posts
| Just one question about the one point made above about no all the time sex cos i really dont know catholic doctrine...
If you are married what's the big deal if you have hot sex with the one you love when you want to? | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:09 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| what's the big deal if you have hot sex with the one you love when you want to?
Fixed. | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:12 nefariouslady_t | 11,509 posts
| Fixed.
i just wanted to know their reasoning on that one point if it is within their boundries of marriage why it is wrong still. | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:14 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| I know, I'm just kidding. Gotta keep things light, or else people will start taking Catholicism seriously. -bitter fist shake-
Good question, though. And here's a thought: If homosexuality is bad, why isn't it also bad when a man and woman only have anal sex? | | 0 @ 07-05-2006 06:21 nefariouslady_t | 11,509 posts
| haha lite heartedness is good
i find ppl's course of reasoning interesting
so i bug ppl in the Politics/Religion threads | | 0 @ 08-05-2006 02:50 dag_102 | 254 posts
| I don't see what's the fuzz if you don't believe anyway, I could explain and explain but there's a reason we won't get to anywhere by doing this , because as I said in some post , faith can't be explained with pure reasoning , there's this extra wich is faith itself. Let's take an example.. sex between two persons , wich have agreed to do so in a responsible way , there's nothing wrong but to our faith , that implies a series of implications that are plenty justified by the bible , but to believe that you have to have faith, so this applies and makes sense to you ; then you can argue against this rules again , and there's other rules also implying belief and so on...
Just respect our faith and we will respect yours (or your lack of) , and btw we don't go door by door , I think there's just missionarie (no pun intended) thingies in africa going on. | | 0 @ 08-05-2006 02:52 dag_102 | 254 posts
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* offtopic :
implies implications... ehhhr sorry about that , I was having dinner while typing
| | 0 @ 08-05-2006 04:58 PunkRckr8 |
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| To reply a little late to my previous post, I don't think that the restrictiveness in marriage is a good idea or whatnot (I don't think most of catholicism is a good idea), but my point was that what's written in the bible is that sex is strictly for the purpose of creating more humans, so technically, sex, even within marriage, should only be for the purpose of having children, yet people seem to just ignore this little issue, as they do with other parts of catholicism. | | 0 @ 08-05-2006 06:22 vandy |
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| Can you tell me where in the Bible it says that? | | 0 @ 08-05-2006 06:26 nefariouslady_t | 11,509 posts
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* offtopic :
*mini-hijacks thread to say* hey meg 
| | 0 @ 08-05-2006 06:56 fishmunky | 
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| I think in the end it all comes down to what you believe
and i dont care if you think i'm a lax catholic or whatever
I believe in God, because someone has to be getting a kick out of the sick existence we have here
I'm willing to believe that he had a son, who died for us...later to be recapped in a 3 hour snuff film by Mel Gibson
and i honestly believe that the church has set up some decent moral guidelines to live by, hell im a big fan of monogamy...i've been with the same girl for over 2 years...no straying or anything
however, i refuse to believe that God is concerned with what i do with my penis...whether im by myself with the playboy network on, or whether im having a quiet night in with the g/f
now maybe this is just my horny male convenience argument, bujt i really dont think god cares who i bone, when i bone, whether a kid results from boning, or if i have a contract before i bone...all this seems a little too human for god to be involved
Catholicism has traditionally been a religion of repression...why do you think we invented Confession? no other religion had that before the Christians did...why, because we feel the need to guilt and shame ourselves for living...and thats ridiculous...yes i agree urges need a check...but having sex is not dirty...and its only b ecause of the way we've been brought up do we think thats the case | | 0 @ 08-05-2006 16:12 vandy |
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| i disagree with god not caring when and with who we have sex and all that, but it doesn't mean I think you're a lax catholic.
EVERY SINGLE CATHOLIC, pope included, does something against church teaching, probably on a daily basis. Some of em are bigger than others. Despite many Catholics you see out there, drunkenness is technically sinful. Do I still go there? Every once in awhile. Once every few weekends. I always try to justify it in my mind, but really, it's still wrong. Unlike other Christians we have levels of right and wrong, all sin isn't the same before God's eyes (I don't even think that would make sense...I mean, you could call someone fat and that might hurt them but it would hurt them a whole HELL of a lot more if you killed their mom!) and I think getting drunk 3 times a term is less of a sin than spreading hurtful rumors, you know? |
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