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@ 29-05-2003 02:13 vandy | 
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| When this post was first created, a girl named Baileysmummy was making tons of threads entitled "what do you think of Irish people?" or "what do you think of Italians" etc...so I (vandy) decided to create something a bit contraversial...a "what do you think of Catholics?" discussion topic. Well, it evolved into this, a huge discussion of Catholicism, so Ally changed the title to fit it when she was the lone mod in this category. I decided to add in this explanation, so that no one thought that I thought that Catholicism was a joke or a fad.
why not? it seems to be the fad lately. |
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 0  @ 03-05-2006 04:57 dag_102 | 254 posts
| I just love vandy's comments  specially that saying.. god is not a trend .. that's so true because if you're gonna change what bothers you about religion ... well then you have protestant ,anglicans and plenty more that when they felt insulted or supressed or ANY kind of bothering , puff! just like that they changed their books (bible for example) and tried to make a "New , more-comprehensing modern church" and well if you believe then do it , if not , don't go around ripping off pages and making your mormon book (and others , not against mormons)
True is the Vatican should cut some slack in light aspects of sexuallity like masturbation or whatevr , but about abortion.. c'mon think about how'd you feel if YOU were about to be aborted? life is created for a reason but modern day woman says "its my body" well its your body allright but don't go all whore around and then just kill a baby-to-be , maybe the rape victims could go to rehab or somth for the trauma , and also those with "bad" fetus should see the beauty in those special kids instead of going "mmmmh my baby isn't perfect , I should get another one , plz doctor take this ugly one out!" and that other case when the mother is at risk , well though! that's life , suppose you were meant to die anyway , what's better than bringin a new life to earth if you're gonna die in a car crash right on the way out of your pretty abortion clinic??? Ehhrmm this thread isn't about this right , well anyway vandy has pretty much covered it all , we don't PRAISE saints or the virgin , and other points i can't remember .. anyway its late and I'm one proud catholic and u should be too (of ur own belief)  | | 0 @ 03-05-2006 05:17 dag_102 | 254 posts
| Oh well I decided not to be lazy and sinful haha and copy pasted this..
Purgatory - Doesnt exist. Catholics believe it is a place between Heaven and earth that people go to "work their way into Heaven". Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
**well , its not working your way out , its like paying for your little guilts.. that's fair even for human justice c'mon! so I bet God has a better system wich I don't know but lets say its a "prision" to clean yourself of all the bad you did, also prayers from your non-dead friends or relatives would work , because they would be little testimonies of what you did right and all the good you did , just a thought , bcause if it didnt exist , well then curse to someone (that maybe deserved it) and bam , straight to hell , haha**
Going to a priest for forgiveness - What's the point when you can go to God directly. What's the use of this middle man?
**going to a priest is hard right? to open up your soul and admit your sins , though stuff allright.. well that's some credit god will keep in mind because not everything in life needs to be PLEASANT , or easy , so this is pretty much the point because it would be too hypocritical to say "um hey dude god , sorry I killed this or I embezzeled that , I.O.U one" no! you need to really regret this and cmon to say 10 prayers isn't the end of the world  **
Praying to the Saints - Again, What's the point? They aren't listening. They are to busy enjoying the glory of Heaven. And they have no power to help you anyway.
**covered**
The Pope is guilty of idolotry. For bowing down and worshiping a statue of Mary. Only one deserves our worship. and that is God
**the Pope is just a leader, every church has its own (even scientology ) so we don't idolize (is that the word?) him nor praise him but he's a kind man so what's wrong with wanting to be like him .. just look at J. Paul 2nd what a man! but its not like he is god or smth but what's the pope suppose to do "hey don't love nor worship me" He knows this is not what ppl do , just out of love or respect or just the sense of being with someone holy (or as holy as you can get on earth lol) **
Ok I might have not quotated bible and stuff wich would be better but I just responded casual q with common a's
And once again religion is personal , just don't insult  | | 0 @ 03-05-2006 06:20 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| Man, whatever happened to Christianity when it was cool? Bring back Arian Christianity. Arius was actually an interesting theological philosopher. He argued that against Jesus' christlike nature, stating that since he was made by God, like man, he was not OF God, which means he was not truly holy. Fully man, and in no way God. Arius = rebel. | | 0 @ 04-05-2006 14:32 spain4ever | 14 posts
| "when the mother is at risk , well though! that's life , suppose you were meant to die anyway , what's better than bringin a new life to earth if you're gonna die in a car crash right on the way out of your pretty abortion clinic???"
Dag_102 wtf are you talking about? If a mother is at risk there are other process for giving birth a new life. A mother is at risk but not always so abort when ever you can, you will have always a new opportunity. But the idea of letting a mother die because you think a new life can be better its so crazy. Once you know what are you talking about, talk. | | 0 @ 04-05-2006 15:11 dag_102 | 254 posts
| I guess a new life its not like better but well I was giving a raw example , bcause I can picture a mom having already 3 kids to take care of and well this could be a case where it should be considered , we can't generalize I know but I feel like this is sort of approved by society killing , raw unhuman killing , maybe its cuz I've seen a lot of pps with horrible pics of destroyed fetus but even if I didn't have , to kill another human is kinda bad isn't it? Specially a human that can't do NOTHING about it and its never at fault of "being born" that's the aspect of fairness I try to validate.
I see your point to but also consider that a big % of abortions is coming from woman/couples/parents of the girl etc. not wanting a baby just because the burden of it, and not because there really is a risk or a trauma involved
Ok I guess back to topic (oh and also Jesus hollyness its not for us to discuss with human knowledge because we do not think in god's way, If you believe well that's the beauty of faith if not well you can't "prove" wrong or right just by reasoning because you are using human-limited-reasoning) | | 0 @ 04-05-2006 15:15 PunkRckr8 | 
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| I know but I feel like this is sort of approved by society killing , raw unhuman killing
It is unhuman killing because a fetus is technically a parasite that cannot function or live on its own (of course this only applies up to a certain time, but that is why you can only get an abortion up to a certain point in the development). | | 0 @ 04-05-2006 22:13 dag_102 | 254 posts
|  sounds brutal but ok , also the church sees this parasite as a possesor of soul and rights, that's why its a bad thing to kill it
Erh there's an abortion thread already so , sorry for drifting the theme here.
Hey it's been a year since the new pope took charge and no nazi actions yet  , I do miss that warm feeling of JP II but everyone is different so I shouldn't push it. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 00:07 vandy |
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| I, also, miss JPII but the new guy's all right. I like how he isn't trying to be JPII.
As far as abortion...as far as Catholic church teaching goes, you do whatever you can to save the mother's life, if she so chooses, without moral obligation for the life of the child, especially as in cases of ectoptic pregnancy. The child's right to life does not trump the mother's right to life, but the mother's right to a comfortable lifestyle does not trump the child's right to life. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 00:16 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. Not sorry for preparing to offend you, of course, I'm...actually sorry that you're Catholic. It's got to be one of the most liducrous systems of belief in existence. These freakin'...vampire priests sink their twin fangs of guilt and sin into you as a child, and suck out the joy of your existence for the rest of your life.
And I used to love watching the Pope bounce around in his little Popemobile. That's gotta be hoot #1 on my list. I want a whole show of the Pope just bouncing around in his little all-terrain Popemobile with the 3 feet of bulletproof plexiglass. Boy, there's faith in action. See, you know he's really the spokesman for God, because only God's representative upon this Earth would need bulletproof glass, don't you think? Or am I reading into this wrong?
Christianity is an odd religion overall. I was raised in the church, I've read up on the odd little nuances. The whole image is that, you know, eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message: Believe or die!
Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 01:19 FooFightersRule | 309 posts
| I was raised in the church, I've read up on the odd little nuances.
Yup, sounds like you've got a good grip on what Christians believe...
Why do you even bother? Your logic is so flawed it's not even funny. Where's the straw man smiley? | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 01:29 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| First of all: so many people in here have posted horribly wrong "facts". And in most cases, I know its not your fault, its because you weren't educated and well informed about catholicism. And here's the right thread for it
well thanks to everyone else who answered before me, and now I'm gonna 'answer' sthg that caught my attention:
I think that the Church, of which I am a member, needs to adapt to the times. Even 100 years ago, pre-marital sex was uncommon. However, the Catholic Church is very limiting when it comes to sex, which has become an everyday part of the American culture (yes I am American). According to the Church, masturbation, abortion, and birth-control are all sins. I do not believe that this is right, as society has grown to accept these. I think that these rules may cause serious Catholic children to become outcasts, as most teens choose to experiment sexually.
ermmmm first of all: society HAS NOT accepted masturbation, abortion, pre-marital sex and birth-control. Maybe in the US it has... and you cannot pretend the church to change, it would be incoherent, it would have to change its basis, and that would change its esence and it would turn to something else, it wouldn't be catholicism anymore. The church could NEVER accept those things. They aren't right, nooo way. If you wanna ask me, or discuss about it, msg me. I believe society is decaying, losing its moral values. If you are catholically educated and raised up, you can see these things sooo clearly. Most teens these days lack of a guide, a positive guide, and it would be so great that they took the Pope as their guide, because thats exactly what the Pope's supposed to be, our spiritual guide.
emmm yes I suck at explaining myself, especially written...please people open your eyes and try to understand and see why we catholics say and believe these things. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 01:32 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| and certainly, God's options aren't "believe or die". thats the most common and stupid mistake I see people post in here.
if you don't understand my (our) religion, ask, but don't criticize blindly without informing yourself!!!!!!!! | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 01:48 Jen_loves_trav | 327 posts
| I'm not catholic, and i definitley dont beleive in god, but if others want too thats their choice, i'm not going to judge them because of what they beleive in. BUT i dont think people should be allowed to go around knocking on peoples doors trying to convert? ppl tht don't beleive. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 01:57 KateKateKate | 
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| I've never once regreatted being a Catholic.
Yes, I've been exposed to the rest of the world. Yes, I've seen what you can do when you're not Catholic. Truth? I don't really care. So maybe I can't have sex until I'm in a committed relationship. That's fine. It honestly is. There's a lot more to life than having sex when you have the urge and whatnot. There's a lot more to life than doing whatever you want, without thinking of how it will affect others. That's why we have the commandments we do...to keep our relationships healthy with others, and to take care of ourselves. I feel it's the best thing for me, to be Catholic. I'm not brainwashed, there are things I question. I question ALL THE TIME.
I'm not afraid of going to hell if I become non-Catholic. It isn't fear that keeps me as a religious person. It's faith. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 02:02 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| very well said
* offtopic :
umm your name is Kate, right?
| | 0 @ 05-05-2006 02:04 KateKateKate |
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| Also, on two other things...
1. People are gonna try to kill the Pope. It's a fact of life. It would be totally unrealistic for the Pope to walk out unprotected. It's like a Catholic jumping off a bridge and saying "God, help me!". It's stupid. Need to face reality, there are people who will want to kill someone of a religious status. There are people who have. Faith is faith that in the end you will go to heaven...it's not faith that no one will shoot you and that you are superhuman because you believe in God. Bull. 
2. About loosening up. Yes, the Church has made mistakes. And they can be making mistakes today. But "adapting to fit the modern world" is a really bad phrase to use. That's the point of an institution...to keep tradition, and keep a set way of beliefs, not one that changes with the world.
| | 0 @ 05-05-2006 02:05 KateKateKate |
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| No, it's Bob. Haha, no, it's Kate. And thanks. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 02:07 MERI_AN | 942 posts
| Well and here I found Kate to talk for me, because I cannot express myself clearly, and she can. She has owned you people. lol | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 02:09 KateKateKate |
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| I consider myself fairly open-minded. People can believe what they want to believe, I can't make them into a Catholic. That's not what I'm trying to do, heh. But there's obviously some HUGE misconceptions that need clearing up about our faith. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 03:09 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| I know plenty about Christianity, you peons. The origins and beliefs of the Catholic Church are well known to me, as well as the amusing changes they have undergone. I'm not making assumptions about the faith; I'm poking fun at fundamentalists who take it to the extreme.
Of course, I'm naturally going to make fun of anyone who even half-assedly treats spirituality with respect. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 04:46 dag_102 | 254 posts
| Well knowing the facts is NOT going to make you believe, nor stop you from doing it , because faith and reasoning are two separate things , of course you can rationalize (is that the word? I'm not stupid, just lazy and english is not my mother language ) your faith , question it and analize it but at the end if it really was faith you'd keep it , if it wasn't then why bother.
I ALSO know all the fundamentals and history and of course there has been changes and mistakes , we're not like hiding it , there's plenty of books and constant television attacks to reminds us so, but still you can find a little thread of truth that is SO clear for us believers that I also woudn't regret nor change my catholic being , we're not convincing ppl (at least not that I've noticed) but just defending our belief system by having a rationalized (word again) discussion (and of course in the lenghts of our own capabilities as humans).
Happy 5 de mayo btw... | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 08:05 vandy |
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| I love it how I would get jumped all over if I said "I'm sorry to those atheists...I mean, I'm sorry that you're atheist, that's pathetic" (p.s. I would never ever say that) but whatever the heck his name is can totally get away with saying that about Catholics. I think atheists can be equally as closed minded as religious people. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 08:54 AlmightyShmun | 1,189 posts
| 'Cause, you know, nobody reacted to what I said at all. I love how Christians seem to have a need to feel victimized.
It's also very fascinating that picking on Christianity somehow makes me close-minded. Right. Laughing at the holes in something doesn't make you close-minded. Being unable to accept criticism, on the other hand...well. I think you know where this is going. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 10:23 vandy |
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| I can understand if you have honest disrespect for the church. it's done some horrible things. But to say "I'm sorry that you're Catholic" is downright childish.
Of course, it doesn't really matter, it's not going to stop me from believing what I believe anyway. | | 0 @ 05-05-2006 14:29 dag_102 | 254 posts
| We don't feel victimized , jewis feel victimized :p and that's not necessarily a bad thing but whatever , also its not critizising christianity what makes you close minded , its bad phrases like "ohh I pity you" "oh believe is foolish" obviously with stronger words but not making a point but subtly insulting...
We all believe what we believe , sometimes it takes miracles or disasters to make someone believe , miracles to help you out and disasters as the need of knowing there's someone bigger out there taking care of you. |
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